Bad batch of toner for the MP4000???

[SGT_Snacks-64]

I use a cloth, normally, with nothing else. on the 35/45 the Mag roller contamination "because that's what toner is!!!!" normally comes straight off, even sometimes have to give it a bit of a push to get it off, if it doesn't the scotch brite comes out to play

[Ollie1981]

I use a bit of paper and a tiny bit of dev, just abasive enough to get the crap off.

The toner scumming on the mag roller is a constant issue on the MP3500/4500 and the new MP4000/5000, it's not such an issue with the machines that use the B079 or B003 dev.

The whole toner/dev mix is crap, I've been to plenty of 1035/2035/3035's that have easily got full life out of their developer, I don't think I've been to a MP4500 yet that has got more than 150k out of it's dev.

Has anyone else had calls that go pretty much like this with these machines:-

You attend a call on an MP4500 for background, (from experience you know that with earlier variants of the Adonis, background was primarily a charge issue, either a faulty charge roller, the charge roller contacts bent or dirty, or a worn drum not holding it's charge).

Change one or change all of the PCU parts, reset charge voltage to default, do I.D sensor initial setting and 2805 to give the dev a stir.......still got background, more often than not worse background than before you touched it.

Look at the dev unit, mag roller crapped up.... clean it....no change.

Bite the bullet and replace the developer (way before life).....Perfect copies.

Stumped I am, Stumped!!

[ZeusGT]

I use a bit of paper and a tiny bit of dev, just abasive enough to get the crap off.

The toner scumming on the mag roller is a constant issue on the MP3500/4500 and the new MP4000/5000, it's not such an issue with the machines that use the B079 or B003 dev.

The whole toner/dev mix is crap, I've been to plenty of 1035/2035/3035's that have easily got full life out of their developer, I don't think I've been to a MP4500 yet that has got more than 150k out of it's dev.

Has anyone else had calls that go pretty much like this with these machines:-

You attend a call on an MP4500 for background, (from experience you know that with earlier variants of the Adonis, background was primarily a charge issue, either a faulty charge roller, the charge roller contacts bent or dirty, or a worn drum not holding it's charge).

Change one or change all of the PCU parts, reset charge voltage to default, do I.D sensor initial setting and 2805 to give the dev a stir.......still got background, more often than not worse background than before you touched it.

Look at the dev unit, mag roller crapped up.... clean it....no change.

Bite the bullet and replace the developer (way before life).....Perfect copies.

Stumped I am, Stumped!!

that's mainly what I've been running into. Replace the dev. and everything is all good..

[TonerMunkeh]

I'm going to ask for a company issue 5 litre tin of petrol, a box of matches and every MP3500/4500 call that comes in to be given to me....

This things are a dirty, useless piece of shit and deserve to be burned.

Thing is tho, how come they haven't gotten the message yet? Surely to christ this occured on the testing phase of this machine but did they not think of all the parts and man hours they would have had to throw at these machines to keep them going?

Ollie is right in what he says, I've been back to a machine of his a fortnight ago, replaced them mag roller seal, cleaned up the mag roller and replaced the PCU items, it lasted a week. Another one of our engineers has ordered the mag roller, replaced the dev and PCU items again.

Would you like to place bets on how long the bastard lasts?

To whoever had the idea of replacing the B079 dev and toner mix and bringing out these pieces of Devil's excrement - may you die of syphilis and eat adorable kittens in hell forever.

[Jomama46]

hing is tho, how come they haven't gotten the message yet? Surely to christ this occured on the testing phase of this machine but did they not think of all the parts and man hours they would have had to throw at these machines to keep them going?

From the Oliver Stone movie, "JFK", "Follow the money"

[cobiray]

Plus the sales persons don't care how the machine runs. They get their commission and Ricoh bucks and that's all they care about.

[Lagonda]

MP 3500 etc overtoning

Yep, getting the same problem here downunder.
Ricoh have released a RTB that acknowledges the problem, RB296019,it gives a bit of waffle about humidity, usage rates and paper dust. I feel the problem is brought on by the low temp melting point toner that they need to go with fast heat fusers.
Their temporary solution is to change dev, throughly clean the dev unit then set SP 2201-01 to 660 and SP 2201-02 to 500.

The last paragraph states they are still looking for a "Final Solution" which sounds a bit Third Reich to me!!!!

[cobiray]

I feel the problem is brought on by the low temp melting point toner that they need to go with fast heat fusers.

I had that same thought. I've had an unofficial admission that the problem is the toner AND Japan's engineers are working on it. No fix date or anything else, so don't hold your breath.

Anyone tried using the B079 toner and developer in it???

[TonerMunkeh]

I don't see any reason you couldn't try it, the PCU, dev unit and toner bottles are exactly the same... if anyone has one of these things in their workshop and has an hour to kill?

By the way, went to an MP4000 today, dev lasted 36k, followed RTB mentioned and managed to get copy quality near ok.... BURN THEM!!!

[kyoceran]

surely the issue of a 'lemon' needs to be evaluated bt Ricoh, in the interest of preventing a class action based on numerous instances, the door must be wide open, who is paying for the dev ? If Ricoh cannot fix this , a recall should be invoked with a machine of similar performance be offered in exchange. If this persists , their will be no more Ricoh customers, a point worth considering.

[Lagonda]

Anyone tried using the B079 toner and developer in it???[/quote]


As I type one of my techs is doing the convertion.
First problem, Got to find a toner drive dog off a 2045/B079 as the Type 3201D toner bottle wont mesh with MP 3500/B296 toner motor.

Second problem, arguing with the old chook that runs the toner ordering service and trying to convince her that when the customer rings in for more toner she has to send out 3201D even though they have a MP 3500.
"Cos I say so" wasn't a good enough reason!

[Koosie]

I've been running MP4000 on B079 and T1230D with no problems. You do need to change the toner motor though. Still need to clean the bastard once in a while, but at least the drum and dev reach its pm.

[Noj7373]

I have been converting all of my LD335/345 over to B079 Dev and toner. I have instrutions and parts list with price just incase youre on BEI like myself. If you intrested please email me.