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  • Dcopyman
    Technician
    • Apr 2020
    • 34

    [Electrical] Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

    I have a MX-5070N that is powering down and restarting frequently. I have replaced Msata, and installed an ESP surge protector. The ESP displays N9 ( >=4vac between neutral and ground) and also records low voltage errors. The customer has had an electrician come out and check outlet, only to say he saw no issues with outlet. Going to try replacing DC Power Supply PWB today, but wondering if any one out there has had any issues like this and remedy. TIA
  • BillyCarpenter
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    • Aug 2020
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    Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

    Originally posted by Dcopyman
    I have a MX-5070N that is powering down and restarting frequently. I have replaced Msata, and installed an ESP surge protector. The ESP displays N9 ( >=4vac between neutral and ground) and also records low voltage errors. The customer has had an electrician come out and check outlet, only to say he saw no issues with outlet. Going to try replacing DC Power Supply PWB today, but wondering if any one out there has had any issues like this and remedy. TIA

    Have you checked the outlet with a volt meter? I would check it under load.
    Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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    • Dcopyman
      Technician
      • Apr 2020
      • 34

      #3
      Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

      Yes I tested with meter (crappy one) under stress and so did the Electrician.

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      • kdr363
        Technician

        50+ Posts
        • Apr 2019
        • 61

        #4
        Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

        Sure sounds like red flags when the surge protector isn't happy and the machine isn't happy either. Have you got a voltage regulator to try on it for a period of time? Tripplite LC1200 or ESP SE-15 sag eliminator

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        • Dcopyman
          Technician
          • Apr 2020
          • 34

          #5
          Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

          kdr636.... Do you have any first hand experience with either one, and if so which would you say does the job better? I looked up prices quick and found one was around $162 msrp and one was $562 msrp. I'm sure I could find them cheaper since one of them is available through Hytec

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          • kdr363
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            50+ Posts
            • Apr 2019
            • 61

            #6
            Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

            Originally posted by Dcopyman
            kdr636.... Do you have any first hand experience with either one, and if so which would you say does the job better? I looked up prices quick and found one was around $162 msrp and one was $562 msrp. I'm sure I could find them cheaper since one of them is available through Hytec
            The tripplite is much cheaper and works just as good. But, it does make a "click" noise when the wall voltage drops below a certain level. Someone sitting near the machine may get annoyed, but points out a voltage sag or other voltage probs.
            Our area is terrible about wall voltage issues and we have had to resort to line conditioners often when customers refuse have it fixed properly.

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            • Nachoman4life
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              100+ Posts
              • Oct 2007
              • 212

              #7
              Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

              Try direct to the wall for a week or so, some surge suppressors, are the problem, its a one week idea to check
              Where the heck is my spring hook?

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              • Dcopyman
                Technician
                • Apr 2020
                • 34

                #8
                Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

                Installed a Tripp-Lite LC2400 today..... we'll see if it helps with the power issues!!!!!!!!!

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                • ntbann
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                  500+ Posts
                  • Jan 2012
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                  #9
                  Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

                  If you have 4 volts between neutral and ground there is a problem with the circuit. It should be less than 1 volt.

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                  • Dcopyman
                    Technician
                    • Apr 2020
                    • 34

                    #10
                    Re: Showing N9 on ESP surge protector

                    Actually on Newer Sharp copiers, anything over .5VAC is too much between neutral and ground

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