Tosh Feed Tyes experiments

[jamesyboy]

Gentlemen,Tosh feed tyres wear out fast and I have found the majority of error codes recoreded are due to f tyres not lasting the distance
I now use Ricoh type tyres on the lccs and have found a huge improvement anybody know or suggest any alternative for the machine feed stations interested to find any alternative that fits to continue my experiments!!!!! thanks Jamesboy

[emujo]

If you're a dealer on Prometric and Toshiba catches this on an inpection, you may lose your cert...anyway, feed rolls are cheap, why even bother? Emujo

[Hansen88]

We replace just the rubber skins with ones from katun. They are cheap and last as good as toshiba ones.

[jamesyboy]

The Ideam Behind My Experimentation!!
Tosh kd1010 infamous for flats on the sep tyre yes chaeap paert to replace but down time customer perception of the product and a burden of about 150 us dollars to send someone to diagnose the problem and fit 10 dollars worth of Tosh parts I hae attended several Tosh Forums and discussed such issues Toshiba products are good and a company that are allways open to input
The new 1026 ped uses Ricoh type tyres !!!!
These are a big step fwd ie last longer give good customer perception of reliability less call outs less burden more profit for the dealer etc...


the feed stn tyres are now more or less stnd on the range but weak so hence my experiments and enquiry I have found the katuns to be shite and a bigger finanical burden the more you hae to go to a mchine thats on aservice contract the less attractive it becomes if you nail it down so guys just looking to see if anyone had any ideas tosh tyres are not that great but are getting better

[ToshibaTech]

Have you used 1026 tires on a 1010? Do they fit? Change just the tire or tire and hub? You're right the sep. is the worst even if you could just use the 1026 sep tire that might help. We have not had to change out 1026 tires yet. Well, I haven't.

[CCS]

just curious, what real yield should one expect to get out of say e450/452 pf tires, (oem tosh.) some of my boxes out there are going through alot of feed tires too soon I think...

[jamesyboy]

its reccomended around 80k!
but 40k and they are shot we rotate the feed stns on most visits and change at 40k

[jamesyboy]

Have you used 1026 tires on a 1010? Do they fit? Change just the tire or tire and hub? You're right the sep. is the worst even if you could just use the 1026 sep tire that might help. We have not had to change out 1026 tires yet. Well, I haven't.

I have but they are very exspensive 3 times the price of Ricoh eqivalant

[OMD-227]

I'm reading this post with great interest.

Are you saying that a Toshiba MFP unit of around 35/45ppm, has PF rollers that only last up to 80K, and have a quite expensive replacement cost?

How can that be? Surely this is the biggest scam of all time.

I know nothing on the Toshy boxes, but when comparing our standard Sharp PF roller sets (AR620RT/AR62DF/NROLR1466FCZ1/NROLR1467FCZ2) that easily pass 200K pages and have a very small replacement cost, it just seems too much.

[jamesyboy]

The actuall paper feed stn tyres are cheap but a costly call out the hidden burden !
and yes 8o k knackerd !! hence my search for an alternative!
The new tyres for the 1026 ped fit the old 1010 ped and last indefinately but are exspensive
great on new kit but a big exspense to mod up old peds

[OMD-227]

I'm still quite stunned by this...... 80K and you have a set of worn out PF rollers. Amazing!

Is the rest of this series of machine built as cheap & nasty as the PF rollers? Sounds terrible!
Maybe setting a precidence for the series or upcoming newer machines? I surely wouldnt have any confidence in buying/leasing anything that had such a shit life-span on a common yet critical component. That is just plain nasty.

PF roller sets should have the same life-span as other high use components, and therefore be changed at the same time during that particular service call, not going out on a special trip just for them.

I seriously wish you well in obtaining something better than the rubbish you are putting up with now. The extra cost of these better rollers will pay for themselves with less call-outs.

[jamesyboy]

this is indeed the weak point
however Tosh machines are probally otherwise the best Ive ever worked on worked on Ricohs for 10 years and tosh are a mile better
just need to sort the tyres out and happy days

[ToshibaTech]

80K? We usually end up with over 100K on feed tires. LCF or not, ADF included. Sometimes you get one with a flat spot early but I think you should be getting over 80K out of them.

[jamesyboy]

16cst toshiba recoomended yeild 80k
we tend to change parts at reccomended life so that pm support is always correct and iqc is working with you a nice clean machine
it also can have legal obligations if you had say a ford car and they didnt change the oil on a service they would be liable if the car turns into a bag of shit before the lease expires

so my experiments are to find a non tosh eqivalant thats better and I am then outside such obligations and can warrant my reasons to Mr Toshiba
as ive said tosh tyres are shite!!!

[Claudio]

Jamesboy: I agree with you. I've been using the Ricoh brand for the LCC rollers for almost a couple of years. The Toshibas are supposed to last 80k but also was yielding about 40k. The Ricoh brand seem to go beyond 80k and like you said, they are 1/3 of the price.
Also on trays 1 and 2 for e280,282,350/2, etc, I use the separation roller ass'y ( roller/clutch/frames ) from the old e-35 copiers. They seem to last the life of the machine.
Also notice a similar problem with the e-35 MR-3012 RADFs, the rollers are to last 80k but only getting about 40k feeds ( I have not found a solution for that one ).