[Misc] Opinions regarding Xerox machines

[savi0r]

Hello guys. I really want to ask for your advice. I spoke to a friend here, Adriansto, and he gave me so much advice. But i wanna hear your opinions as well. Well, i can buy some machines from a friend and just wanted to know your opinions about them :
Xerox 56xx series, Xerox 57xx series, Xerox 53xx series, Xerox 72xx and 71xx. Also, if you know some good xerox machines, please post them here. maybe in time, i will sell used xerox machines and i need to find some good xerox series. And another thing, what counters, for each series, do you consider being ok? For example, is it much for a xerox 5755 or 5745 to have around 700k, 800k , something like that? And any advice is welcome. Thank you.

[Exok]

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The 56xx & 57xx machines require a lot of maintenance to keep them going. 700 & 800K is on the high end. I do sometimes see ones over 1 million but not often. Keep away from the 51xx and the newer 58xx. The 59xx are the newest and seem to be much improved.
71xx & 72xx are pretty good if used in low volume environments. 53xx are good machines.

[Manuas]

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It depends what you are doing or want to do with it. 5330/5335 nice work horse, 56,57XX ok good and strong for the long haul corporate back offices, now the 58XX particuarly the 5855 is what you want for pretty good longterm dependabiity. The 59XX if you want the latest workhorse. Of course if you dont want any of those graduate into the D series, D95, D110, D125 or simarly older models like the 4110 and 4112 old but reliabe workhorse mules of the day. NOTE, its my opinion that the best you take care of the copier IT will take care of you for years to come. Remember though it is a machine a man made machine curse it and it curses you back!! LOL!! So be nice to it, take care of it, give it some tlc once in awhile and clean clean clean it nicely and it shall endure times test..

[bryant28282000]

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You are missing some information on the 71 and 72. There is the older 7132/42 and new 7125/7225. Great for small off environment like no more than 8. It is not a graphic printer so your color quality will be office color. The xerox 53series is good but I just discover one problem only on that model. If you are making changes to scan settings. This machines can only only only accept changes in Internet Explorer. If you use any other browser it will not what so ever except your settings.

[savi0r]

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Hi guys. I revive this thread a little bit. Just one quick question : how important are counters in xerox machines? I mean, if u were to buy them, what range of counters would you prefere? i mean for the 7125, 7220, 5645, 5745, 52xx and 53xx.

[savi0r]

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Hi all. Sorry to revive this question , but i am really curious about your answers regarding the last question asked. The one about counters. I plan on buying some machines and i would really like to know the "OK" range. Presuming all machines were running with OEM parts.

[thrackan]

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We have two 5665 and one 5632 in our company. All of them like to spit toner between the magnetic roller and the drum. We're all used to vacuum the spillage every now and then. Mechanically they are great workhorses, expecially with thicker (100-120g) noncoated offset preprinted paper. One of 5665 has now almost 1.030.000 copies done. It has had motherboard replacement at one point though and is awaiting at the moment for NVRAM backup restoration, because it has lost it during unlucky replacement of its backup battery. Remember to check if the machine you buy has a backup diskette in the pouch sticked to the back of the machine (it also has to have a serial number matching the machine one)!

But while they have really nice access to all modules (except lasers, they are a bit irritating to get to), I find them weird to configure scanning and navigate through the menus. Maybe because vast majority of MFPs I work on are from Ricoh and Konica-Minolta.

[caffeinekid]

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Hi guys. I revive this thread a little bit. Just one quick question : how important are counters in xerox machines? I mean, if u were to buy them, what range of counters would you prefere? i mean for the 7125, 7220, 5645, 5745, 52xx and 53xx.

Counters are important on any machine, not just Xerox. Here is my opinion as a L4 field engineer:

7125 - reasonable meter of <150K
7220 - reasonable meter of <100K (the software on these units has not been as reliable as the 7125 either)
5645 - wouldn't even bother
5745 - wouldn't even bother. However the 5765/75 is one of the best boxes I have ever worked on, including the old analogue Minolta EP6000.
5225 - wouldn't even bother
53XX - reasonable meter of <100K Also a great reliable unit with the exception of the document feeder, which is prone to misfeeding when scanning/faxing. This was remedied with an updated feeder, but it's hit or miss whether the machine you purchase will have the good one. You can tell by lifting up the feed cover and inspecting the paper pickup roller assembly drive gear. If it has a one-way bearing in it, just know that if your customer scans or faxes with the device, it will invariably have feeding issues. Incidentally, the same feeder is used on the 7125 as well, so same goes for that machine.

[savi0r]

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Counters are important on any machine, not just Xerox. Here is my opinion as a L4 field engineer:

7125 - reasonable meter of <150K
7220 - reasonable meter of <100K (the software on these units has not been as reliable as the 7125 either)
5645 - wouldn't even bother
5745 - wouldn't even bother. However the 5765/75 is one of the best boxes I have ever worked on, including the old analogue Minolta EP6000.
5225 - wouldn't even bother
53XX - reasonable meter of <100K Also a great reliable unit with the exception of the document feeder, which is prone to misfeeding when scanning/faxing. This was remedied with an updated feeder, but it's hit or miss whether the machine you purchase will have the good one. You can tell by lifting up the feed cover and inspecting the paper pickup roller assembly drive gear. If it has a one-way bearing in it, just know that if your customer scans or faxes with the device, it will invariably have feeding issues. Incidentally, the same feeder is used on the 7125 as well, so same goes for that machine.

Hi. The counters you are talking are really low. Under 100k, assuming the machine had it's revisions and was kept with OEM toner and parts, i take it as almost new. For now, i have an ofer of some 7120 with total counters of 300k, 400k. I had 7125 with 230k working perfect. I found interesting your opinion regarding the 52xx. Almost everyone thinks they are good machines, including me.For the 5745, i took some machines in 200k counters. Still, as the coleague abose said, the spill of toner beetwen the drum and developer unit is there. I find that really irittating.

[caffeinekid]

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Hi. The counters you are talking are really low. Under 100k, assuming the machine had it's revisions and was kept with OEM toner and parts, i take it as almost new. For now, i have an ofer of some 7120 with total counters of 300k, 400k. I had 7125 with 230k working perfect. I found interesting your opinion regarding the 52xx. Almost everyone thinks they are good machines, including me.For the 5745, i took some machines in 200k counters. Still, as the coleague abose said, the spill of toner beetwen the drum and developer unit is there. I find that really irittating.

I agree that counters are relative. What I am saying is based off of what I would personally be willing to put out in the field and support. But of course your results will differ depending on country and region. True- the 5225 was a decent enough machine, but it is obsolete and had a few issues of its own, including the CRUs themselves. If you are still picking them up, they should be dirt-cheap. And given the relatively low wholesale prices for the newer 53XX series, I wouldn't see many reasons not to go with them instead. But I guess the main thrust is that there are also issues relating to age that result from these older devices. Things like degraded rubbers, disintegrated foam seals, old-stock CRUs, etc..

As for the 7125, 300-400K is high in my experience. I'll leave it at that. I am kind of ambivalent to that box, but I will say that I like it better than it's replacement. The 7225 can be a real PITA when it gets buggy- corrupted firmware, SD card, SBC, HDD etc..

As for the 57XX developer leakage, that is mainly with the 5735-5755 units, which is why I would recommend avoiding them given the minor difference in wholesale cost between them and the higher speed versions. I will say that it helps to get the little Xerox tool and apply a coat of developer material to the magnetic strip under the mag roller. But even then, you still have to vacuum it out A LOT more than the 5765-5790. Also, the hardware tends to be buggier and more prone to firmware corruption than the higher speeds. And I haven't even mentioned the updated feed pedestal (same as the 58/59XX) that makes removing misfeeds very UN user-friendly.

Xerox has a lot of great machines actually. It's all relative to what you are willing to support and at what cost. If you are rocking it out with 5225s and are able to support them adequately, then my hat is off to you. Can't gig a fellow traveler!

[savi0r]

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In picking used xerox machines,like the series we talked about, what importance do counters have? What are your main checkpoints in picking an used xerox copier? What do you value most?

[caffeinekid]

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In picking used xerox machines,like the series we talked about, what importance do counters have? What are your main checkpoints in picking an used xerox copier? What do you value most?

Well, first and foremost I would say that track record and age of the machine come first regardless of manufacturer. Also, familiarity with Xerox fault codes and how to pull them from the device. The counters factor in more on some machines than on others. Using the 57XX for example; I wouldn't care much if a 5775 had 1.5 million clicks, but I wouldn't even consider a 5755 with that kind of meter for parts, let alone service in the field. I think the sweet spot for buying wholesale is between 2 and 4 years of age. Old enough for the major bugs to be worked out (not a minor consideration when it comes to Xerox given parts cost and difficulty in gleaning support documentation) and young enough to have a second service life. The 5225 would have been a decent machine to pick up 5 years ago, but now not so much in my opinion. A modern example of a good hedge (from Xerox) would be the 78XX series color device and maybe 53XX, 59XX or D95 for monochrome. I would not recommend the 58XX because of its track record and buggy controller or the older 76XX series color due to support. I suppose if you got a really good deal in bulk on 75XX color or 57XX monochrome so that you had parts units to pull from, they might be good options as well, but they haven't had firmware updates for awhile now and are no longer supported. And let's face it, net integration transcends hardware. Even if the box is built like a tank, if the software isn't cutting it with a customer's expectations, it's a moot point. Example: the 78XX compatibility with ConnectKey vs. the (old) 75XX units. If your customer wanted to print directly from mobile devices, the 75XX would be out of the equation.