TONER DIFFERENCE

[glenng]

Hi all
Can anyone tell me if toner for a document centre C400 be used in a document centre C450?
The toners look and feel the same but does anyone know if it would effect the developer?
I realise the toner tube hatch would need to be swapped over.

[slimslob]

Re: TONER DIFFERENCE

I don't know about Brand X, but Ricoh toner bottles/cartridges usually have (in addition to the order number and lot number) have a small box with the "recipe" number. Usual on the bottom right of the label. If the recipe numbers match, the toner is the same, even if the size and shape of the bottles are different.

[Caffeine]

Re: TONER DIFFERENCE

Hi all
Can anyone tell me if toner for a document centre C400 be used in a document centre C450?
The toners look and feel the same but does anyone know if it would effect the developer?
I realise the toner tube hatch would need to be swapped over.

I'm not familiar with those models, I'm in the North America market, but I looked them up and I think the DC C400 family is equivalent to the DocuColor 1632/2240 & WorkCentre C32/C40 families. And the DC C450 is almost certainly equivalent to the WorkCentre C2126/C2636/C3545 family (no DocuColor equivalent).

That would mean the C400 is Xerox's EA toner (1st generation EA) and the C450 is Xerox's EA-HG toner (2nd generation EA). They are NOT the same, however, you can almost certainly use them as they are compatible with each other. They both use the same temperatures to fuse to the paper, so there is no issue there. And they both mechanically "work" the same in terms of the particle size of the toner and developer. The primary difference you might see would be in the gloss level. The HG (High Grade/High Gloss) toner might be slightly glossier, though only a little. And the magenta MIGHT be a little 'strong' if you use the EA-HG toner in a machine designed for EA. But again, probably very minimal and not an issue unless you are doing color critical work. (Which those machines aren't really targeted for, anyway.)

Somewhere on this forum, from quite a while back, I've got a cross reference breakdown of all of Xerox's modern (EA) toner types and the machines they were used in. It is slightly out of date with the new Versant toners, which are EA-Eco, but matte.

Hope that's helpful.

[Caffeine]

Re: TONER DIFFERENCE

Here's my old list...

(1) Oil-requiring pulverized toner (DC12/DC6060/DC8000)
(2) EA toner (1632/2240/3535 + WCP32/WCP32, etc)
(3) Oil-requiring "EA" toner (iGen)
(4) EA-HG toner (DC250 + WC 72xx, 73xx, 76xx, 77xx + Phaser 7750, 7760)
(5) EA-Eco toner (700, 800/1000)
(6) Oil-requiring oddball pulverized toner (7002/8002)

I'll try and make it more exhaustive. New category numbering, to logically lump things together better. All models are NASG, other markets have different names for many of the same machines. I've not included any Alta's or Versa's or whatever they're naming the new models now because I hate them.

Also, I removed the iGen, and instead focused solely on the hardware and toner developed by Fuji Xerox rather than the one family (iGen) created by Xerox.

(1) Pulverized toner, oil-based fuser
----- DocuColor 12 / Document Centre Color Series 50
----- DocuColor 2045, 2060, 5252, 5000, 7000, 8000
(2) Pulverized toner, oil-based fuser (matte)
----- DocuColor 7002, 8002, 8080
(3) EA toner, oil-less fuser (1st generation EA)
----- DocuColor 1632, 2240, 3535
----- WorkCentre M24
----- WorkCentre Pro 32, 40
(4) EA-HG toner, oil-less fuser (2nd generation EA)
----- DocuColor 240, 242, 250, 252, 260
----- WorkCentre 7655, 7665, 7675
----- WorkCentre 7755, 7765, 7775
----- WorkCentre C2128, C2636, C3545
----- WorkCentre 7132
----- WorkCentre 7232, 7242
----- WorkCentre 7328, 7335, 7345, 7346
----- WorkCentre 7425, 7428, 7435
----- Phaser 7500
----- Phaser 7750, 7760
(5) EA-Eco toner, oil-less fuser (3rd generation EA)
----- Color 550, 560, 570
----- Color C60, C70
----- Digital Color Press 700, 770
----- Color C75, J75
----- Color 800, 1000
----- WorkCentre 7625, 7530, 7535, 7545, 7556
----- WorkCentre 7830, 7835, 7845, 7855
----- WorkCentre 7970
----- Phaser 7800
(6) EA-Eco-matte, oil-less fuser (4th generation EA)
----- Versant 80, 180
----- Versant 2100, 3100

Let me know if you see any mistakes/omissions.

[glenng]

Re: TONER DIFFERENCE

Thank you Caffiene.

Your replies were very helpful. I was fairly confident that they were close to each other but wasn't 100% sure and i've seen some disasters using none oem toner in the past.

cheers and thanks again
Glenn

[bojans]

Re: TONER DIFFERENCE

I don't know about Brand X, but Ricoh toner bottles/cartridges usually have (in addition to the order number and lot number) have a small box with the "recipe" number. Usual on the bottom right of the label. If the recipe numbers match, the toner is the same, even if the size and shape of the bottles are different.

Hi,

Slimslob, do you know what is "recipe" for mpc 8002 ans pro c 751 toners.
I have same question here, if you could answer.

Toner difference

Thank you

[ATB]

I own a Phaser 7500 in perfect shape but original OEM toners are becoming impossible to find. Does anyone know if I can use those for the WC7425 (if necessary by replacing the chip)? According this post it is (but only for colors as the WC7425 black cartridge is physically bigger but apparently the cage can be remover?) : https://www.colorprintingforum.com/t...estions.12164/

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Open to alternatives as long as we stay on original OEM items.

Thx!