Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

[simple mind]

Hi,
Does anybody know if Xerox c75/700 toner fits to the xerox V80/180 toner (talking about the pigment) ?? I heard about some guys using it without a problem..

[nikolai.aleksie]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Long time ago i found this helpful description somewhere in this forum

TONER DIFFERENCE

(1) Oil-requiring pulverized toner (DC12/DC6060/DC8000)
(2) EA toner (1632/2240/3535 + WCP32/WCP32, etc)
(3) Oil-requiring "EA" toner (iGen)
(4) EA-HG toner (DC250 + WC 72xx, 73xx, 76xx, 77xx + Phaser 7750, 7760)
(5) EA-Eco toner (700, 800/1000)
(6) EA-Eco-matte, oil-less fuser (4th generation EA)

I'll try and make it more exhaustive. New category numbering, to logically lump things together better. All models are NASG, other markets have different names for many of the same machines. I've not included any Alta's or Versa's or whatever they're naming the new models now because I hate them.

Also, I removed the iGen, and instead focused solely on the hardware and toner developed by Fuji Xerox rather than the one family (iGen) created by Xerox.

(1) Pulverized toner, oil-based fuser
----- DocuColor 12 / Document Centre Color Series 50
----- DocuColor 2045, 2060, 5252, 5000, 7000, 8000
(2) Pulverized toner, oil-based fuser (matte)
----- DocuColor 7002, 8002, 8080
(3) EA toner, oil-less fuser (1st generation EA)
----- DocuColor 1632, 2240, 3535
----- WorkCentre M24
----- WorkCentre Pro 32, 40
(4) EA-HG toner, oil-less fuser (2nd generation EA)
----- DocuColor 240, 242, 250, 252, 260
----- WorkCentre 7655, 7665, 7675
----- WorkCentre 7755, 7765, 7775
----- WorkCentre C2128, C2636, C3545
----- WorkCentre 7132
----- WorkCentre 7232, 7242
----- WorkCentre 7328, 7335, 7345, 7346
----- WorkCentre 7425, 7428, 7435
----- Phaser 7500
----- Phaser 7750, 7760
(5) EA-Eco toner, oil-less fuser (3rd generation EA)
----- Color 550, 560, 570
----- Color C60, C70
----- Digital Color Press 700, 770
----- Color C75, J75
----- Color 800, 1000
----- WorkCentre 7625, 7530, 7535, 7545, 7556
----- WorkCentre 7830, 7835, 7845, 7855
----- WorkCentre 7970
----- Phaser 7800
(6) EA-Eco-matte, oil-less fuser (4th generation EA)
----- Versant 80, 180
----- Versant 2100, 3100

[zagrex]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Hi,
Does anybody know if Xerox c75/700 toner fits to the xerox V80/180 toner (talking about the pigment) ?? I heard about some guys using it without a problem..

hello the difference between the two toners is exactly this: 700 EA toner tecnology versant EAU toner tecnology
You can use it but you need to adjust the machine ESV

[masio]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

hello the difference between the two toners is exactly this: 700 EA toner tecnology versant EAU toner tecnology
You can use it but you need to adjust the machine ESV

What is ESV means ???

[zagrex]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

What is ESV means ???

Machines electro statics adjusment

[XeroxTechBrazil]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Long time ago i found this helpful description somewhere in this forum

TONER DIFFERENCE

(1) Oil-requiring pulverized toner (DC12/DC6060/DC8000)
(2) EA toner (1632/2240/3535 + WCP32/WCP32, etc)
(3) Oil-requiring "EA" toner (iGen)
(4) EA-HG toner (DC250 + WC 72xx, 73xx, 76xx, 77xx + Phaser 7750, 7760)
(5) EA-Eco toner (700, 800/1000)
(6) EA-Eco-matte, oil-less fuser (4th generation EA)

I'll try and make it more exhaustive. New category numbering, to logically lump things together better. All models are NASG, other markets have different names for many of the same machines. I've not included any Alta's or Versa's or whatever they're naming the new models now because I hate them.

Also, I removed the iGen, and instead focused solely on the hardware and toner developed by Fuji Xerox rather than the one family (iGen) created by Xerox.

(1) Pulverized toner, oil-based fuser
----- DocuColor 12 / Document Centre Color Series 50
----- DocuColor 2045, 2060, 5252, 5000, 7000, 8000
(2) Pulverized toner, oil-based fuser (matte)
----- DocuColor 7002, 8002, 8080
(3) EA toner, oil-less fuser (1st generation EA)
----- DocuColor 1632, 2240, 3535
----- WorkCentre M24
----- WorkCentre Pro 32, 40
(4) EA-HG toner, oil-less fuser (2nd generation EA)
----- DocuColor 240, 242, 250, 252, 260
----- WorkCentre 7655, 7665, 7675
----- WorkCentre 7755, 7765, 7775
----- WorkCentre C2128, C2636, C3545
----- WorkCentre 7132
----- WorkCentre 7232, 7242
----- WorkCentre 7328, 7335, 7345, 7346
----- WorkCentre 7425, 7428, 7435
----- Phaser 7500
----- Phaser 7750, 7760
(5) EA-Eco toner, oil-less fuser (3rd generation EA)
----- Color 550, 560, 570
----- Color C60, C70
----- Digital Color Press 700, 770
----- Color C75, J75
----- Color 800, 1000
----- WorkCentre 7625, 7530, 7535, 7545, 7556
----- WorkCentre 7830, 7835, 7845, 7855
----- WorkCentre 7970
----- Phaser 7800
(6) EA-Eco-matte, oil-less fuser (4th generation EA)
----- Versant 80, 180
----- Versant 2100, 3100

Excellent and comprehensive information. Thanks.

[Caffeine]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Excellent and comprehensive information. Thanks.

Haha, that's funny to see my old list suddenly pop up! I'm glad people are still finding it useful! I haven't updated it with the new toner for the Iridesse machines yet, but other than that, it is current up to the Versant.

As for whether Versant toner can be used in a C75 and vice-versa, zagrex mentioned that you need to make an adjustment, and he is probably right for true actual proper proper-ness. But I can give a real world usage confirmation that it works fine without any adjustments. It might not be textbook perfect in terms of the transfer voltage and whatnot, but I have seen zero ill effects. Likely, the difference is small enough the machine simply compensates for it, since there can be variation even in the OEM toner batches, and the machines need to be able to deal with that.

I have used hundreds and hundreds (actually, without question it is certainly many thousands) of cartridges worth of Versant toner <--> C75/700/C70/570 machines as well as the even older 7775/7675/252/250 machines. Never a lick of trouble.

Versant toner is more matte! Distinctly so. It has a lovely finish actually, but only if you want a more matte finish... haha I have a machine which is dedicated to book covers, and I continue to use 800/1000 toner in that one, for the gloss. Using the C75 in the Versant will be glossier than the native Versant toner.

The pigment/coloration/density is no problem. They are compatible. Your basic calibration that you do as a matter of course already (Right? Right?) will EASILY take care of any slight difference. (Personally, I've never even noticed any difference that is any bigger than just natural drift anyway, but I also calibrate daily simply because I'm printing work that is reasonably color critical.)

(I'm not a dealer or reseller or anything, I'm not "selling" ANY toner for use in other machines or anything shady like that... I only do all this experimentation for my own use and my own curiosity. But it also means I've personally run literally millions of pages across about 16 machines, over the years. So when I say I've had no trouble with something, I'm not just running 10 prints and then claiming it works "Even better than OEM!" like the scammy refill-toner sellers. I have never found a refill toner that truly worked LONG TERM without problem in Xerox machines. There may be one out there, but I gave up. Not worth it. They all claim that their toner is such a perfect match and perfectly compatible and in my experience, it is a bald. face. lie.)

I also do all my own maintenance, so if it caused long-term troubles, I would know about it and I'd mention that, too.

Good luck!

[XeroxTechBrazil]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

I experimented ten + years ago with iGen toner in a couple of 2060's. I figured out how to get the machines to run decent intervals, there were lots of new but cheap parts available as the machines were seeing end of life.

Those big cartridges of Igen3 toner were falling off the back of the truck everywhere, and were available inexpensively. The iGen4 had appeared, and it seemed like everyone had a room full of iGen3 toner.
It seemed like a match made in heaven.

There was a big demand for commodity color,, all the real estate people wanted color flyers for example. Everyone wanted color, but wanted to pay B&W
A guy could make some decent money if you could get the inputs down.
The 2060s had decent throughput

But I never got it to work.
We moved on to 252's, and focused on our core business which was short run paperback book publishing using the 252s for covers and DocuTechs for the book block.

[Caffeine]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

But I never got it to work.
We moved on to 252's, and focused on our core business which was short run paperback book publishing using the 252s for covers and DocuTechs for the book block.

I experimented with the iGen3 and iGen4 toner as well. Exact same line of thinking. The cost per gram of them is insanely cheap.

It didn't go anywhere, and it was a long time ago so my memory might be a little foggy, but I THINK the iGen3 toner had developer in it? The developer was totally incompatible with Fuji Xerox developer. Then I got excited because the iGen4 toner was pure, so I figured I could mix in 2060 developer with it. But the toner itself has radically different properties and just plain didn't work.

I enjoy that stuff, though.

[Scarecrow]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Caffine, If I understand your list correctly (I saved the list when you first published it), the 1000 toner will work in the 78 because it is the same type of EA-ECO 3rd gen toner. Well, fusing is an issue. Not sure if the 1000 toner fuses at the same temperature as the 78, but takes longer to get to temperature than the 78 (contact arc or speed), or they fuse at different temps. Not familiar with the 1000. But the 1000 toner will not fuse in a 78. Almost but no cigar: ok for print, not for solids.

[Caffeine]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Caffine, If I understand your list correctly (I saved the list when you first published it), the 1000 toner will work in the 78 because it is the same type of EA-ECO 3rd gen toner. Well, fusing is an issue. Not sure if the 1000 toner fuses at the same temperature as the 78, but takes longer to get to temperature than the 78 (contact arc or speed), or they fuse at different temps. Not familiar with the 1000. But the 1000 toner will not fuse in a 78. Almost but no cigar: ok for print, not for solids.

What is a "78"? Do you mean WorkCentre 78xx series? Or maybe the Phaser 7800?

I've used 1000 toner in both of those two extensively with no issue. I would verify you are using the right paper settings, the right fuser, etc, just to be sure. Particularly if you are using cardstock.

The little machines, which those are, certainly don't have as "beefy" of a fuser as the larger machines, so I was never able to get a high gloss on cardstock, even if I maxed out the paper weight and slowed down the machine as much as possible, but I could easily get a high gloss on paper-weight papers. Never had any issue at all with the toner not adhering, though, even when using the totally correct paper weight settings and whatnot.

I didn't use my 7855 and Phaser 7800 as long as some of the other larger machines I've had, only about a year and a half or so because they just weren't capable enough for what I needed, but in that time, between the two, I probably used 30-40 sets-worth of 1000 toner in them.

(Reloading the 1000 toner into their cartridges was also much more tedious than some of the other machines. And the cartridges are tiny, so even after all the effort of reloading them, they only have a limited capacity. So I got sick of dealing with them... haha)

[Scarecrow]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Caffiene, I believe the phaser 7800, WC74 and the WC78 series use the same toner, just different keys and chips. Just for reference pertaining to your post, I just refered to "78" as the type of toner we are discussing. I twist off the end of the cartridge to refill it. There is a small piece of plastic that may break off - maybe 1mm in diameter or so. That needs to be gone, or it will get caught in the dev housing. Easily refilled. For grins, I will try the 1000 toner again tomorrow incase I'm confused. What developer did you add to the 1000 toner as I believe it is monocomponent?
I just looked at the box: 6R1145 1010 toner. My mistake. Probably not the same as 1000 toner.

[Caffeine]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Caffiene, I believe the phaser 7800, WC74 and the WC78 series use the same toner, just different keys and chips. Just for reference pertaining to your post, I just refered to "78" as the type of toner we are discussing. I twist off the end of the cartridge to refill it. There is a small piece of plastic that may break off - maybe 1mm in diameter or so. That needs to be gone, or it will get caught in the dev housing. Easily refilled. For grins, I will try the 1000 toner again tomorrow incase I'm confused. What developer did you add to the 1000 toner as I believe it is monocomponent?
I just looked at the box: 6R1145 1010 toner. My mistake. Probably not the same as 1000 toner.

Oh, gotcha... Wasn't sure what the "78" was.

Phaser 7800 and WC75/WC78 are EA-Eco, but Phaser 7500 and WC74 are EA-HG, not EA-Eco.

Other than that, yes, the plastic "keys" and the chips are the only difference.

ALL of the toners in that list already have the developer in them. You don't "mix" anything for any of them.

The 1010/2101 toner (6R1145) is definitely not compatible with any machine in that list, either. It is for an ancient B&W printer. Totally unrelated to the EA toners. And yes, it would flake off without question.

[Caffeine]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Oh, gotcha... Wasn't sure what the "78" was.

Phaser 7800 and WC75/WC78 are EA-Eco, but Phaser 7500 and WC74 are EA-HG, not EA-Eco.

Other than that, yes, the plastic "keys" and the chips are the only difference.

ALL of the toners in that list already have the developer in them. You don't "mix" anything for any of them.

The 1010/2101 toner (6R1145) is definitely not compatible with any machine in that list, either. It is for an ancient B&W printer. Totally unrelated to the EA toners. And yes, it would flake off without question.

Scratch that, I just remembered another difference in the toner cartridges... (We're just talking about the toner containers here, not the toner itself.)

It's been years since I used them, but as I recall, the auger gear on the back end of the cartridge is different between the Phaser units and the WorkCentre units. This prevents you from just using the WC ones in a Phaser or vice versa, even if you swap the plastic "cap" which has the keys on it.

[Scarecrow]

Re: Xerox versant toner vs xerox c75 toner

Thankx for the info. Been awhile since I took a call on the phaser 7800, and as I remember they had generic magenta toner. I'm almost sure I just installed the phaser chip on a 7845 oem mag cartridge, and clipped a key. Maybe somebody will weigh in on this.