[Misc] Docucolor 240 - Use other RIP core

[diltech]

Hi,

Is it possible to use other RIP machine instead of Creo CX250 and more recent software faster and newer on this machine (Docucolor 240). My printer is in good condition but le RIP CREO is very old technology and very slow.

Any peaplo here had experience to change it ?

Thank

[adriansto]

Re: Docucolor 240 - Use other RIP core

Standalone Fiery with BMK or WYM serial number. But these are at same level as Creo.
DC240 is old machine from 2005 year so that is the technology level.

[steve_barn]

Re: Docucolor 240 - Use other RIP core

Hello diltech,

From my experience I have a DC250 with embedded RIP fiery and it's slow,

I also have a DC252 with embedded bustled Fiery, I replaced the HDD by a SSD and then it works better.

Perhaps it can help... but like Adriansto said it's old technology now

[XeroxTechBrazil]

Re: Docucolor 240 - Use other RIP core

Hello diltech,

From my experience I have a DC250 with embedded RIP fiery and it's slow,

I also have a DC252 with embedded bustled Fiery, I replaced the HDD by a SSD and then it works better.

Perhaps it can help... but like Adriansto said it's old technology now

You can add memory,, it's off the shelf and inexpensive.

You can blow out the server with an air compressor. We used to do this yearly.

If the processor fan is covered with paper dust or not turning at speed,, the processor will throttle down its speed dramatically.

The interface cable was also a bit iffy, and could be replaced by a newer "satellite" grade.
I believe we got them from Can Am



Technology is old,, but sometimes if you have access to inexpensive parts and toner,, and you fix it yourself,,
those old machines fit into a profitable niche

I remember having three 2060's lined up in a row,, machine was end of life, parts and toner were everywhere and very inexpensive.
We sold color copies for 5 cents when others were getting the same nickle for B&W

Our customers understood that this was commodity color. We had better quality if they wanted it.
We also had three of the 250 series,, I remember a 242 and a couple of 252's

[diltech]

Re: Docucolor 240 - Use other RIP core

You can add memory,, it's off the shelf and inexpensive.

You can blow out the server with an air compressor. We used to do this yearly.

If the processor fan is covered with paper dust or not turning at speed,, the processor will throttle down its speed dramatically.

The interface cable was also a bit iffy, and could be replaced by a newer "satellite" grade.
I believe we got them from Can Am



Technology is old,, but sometimes if you have access to inexpensive parts and toner,, and you fix it yourself,,
those old machines fit into a profitable niche

I remember having three 2060's lined up in a row,, machine was end of life, parts and toner were everywhere and very inexpensive.
We sold color copies for 5 cents when others were getting the same nickle for B&W

Our customers understood that this was commodity color. We had better quality if they wanted it.
We also had three of the 250 series,, I remember a 242 and a couple of 252's

It's a shame there isn't a newer solution to run our DC240 as it's still in pristine condition. It is the CREO server which is unfortunately obsolete.

We are still able to find the consumables quite easily.
I wonder if it is possible to print directly without any server on this machine, which would save us a lot of trouble.

I saw somewhere an installation with a simple driver that connects directly. There is a USB socket on the DC240 and I wonder what it can be used for.

Regards,

[jorgecostacv]

Re: Docucolor 240 - Use other RIP core

You can add memory,, it's off the shelf and inexpensive.

You can blow out the server with an air compressor. We used to do this yearly.

If the processor fan is covered with paper dust or not turning at speed,, the processor will throttle down its speed dramatically.

The interface cable was also a bit iffy, and could be replaced by a newer "satellite" grade.
I believe we got them from Can Am



Technology is old,, but sometimes if you have access to inexpensive parts and toner,, and you fix it yourself,,
those old machines fit into a profitable niche

I remember having three 2060's lined up in a row,, machine was end of life, parts and toner were everywhere and very inexpensive.
We sold color copies for 5 cents when others were getting the same nickle for B&W

Our customers understood that this was commodity color. We had better quality if they wanted it.
We also had three of the 250 series,, I remember a 242 and a couple of 252's

hi you have a dc 252 with fierry embeed??

is possible ?? i have one with external fiery 3xefy fiery but some time i have problem with the external fiery.

[Caffeine]

Re: Docucolor 240 - Use other RIP core

You can add memory,, it's off the shelf and inexpensive.

You can blow out the server with an air compressor. We used to do this yearly.

If the processor fan is covered with paper dust or not turning at speed,, the processor will throttle down its speed dramatically.

The interface cable was also a bit iffy, and could be replaced by a newer "satellite" grade.
I believe we got them from Can Am



Technology is old,, but sometimes if you have access to inexpensive parts and toner,, and you fix it yourself,,
those old machines fit into a profitable niche

I remember having three 2060's lined up in a row,, machine was end of life, parts and toner were everywhere and very inexpensive.
We sold color copies for 5 cents when others were getting the same nickle for B&W

Our customers understood that this was commodity color. We had better quality if they wanted it.
We also had three of the 250 series,, I remember a 242 and a couple of 252's

Same!

I never used the oil-based printers, except for a brief, fondly through frustratingly remembered 3 month foray into the DocuColor 5000, but I always stay a generation or two behind because there are so many more options available to a crafty person.

At this point, I know the guts of the 250-style and 700-style machines so well that I can take them apart and put them back together in my sleep. I can't remember the last print defect I had that I didn't know exactly what the issue was and how to immediately fix it. Even the tricky ones.

Makes it hard to jump ship to another brand or entirely different model... haha Though I suppose I would pick it up quick since so many of the concepts are exactly the same, maybe just a slightly different implementation. Eventually I'll probably have to go Versant, though I dread it. (I just don't like them.)

My oldest workhorse right now is a team of 570's. Technically only 1 generation newer than the 252, but since they are 570's, they are the newer release than the 550/560. I do use the EX570 tower RIPs with them all. I don't feel any pain, and the print quality is no different than the current generation of the same engine, the PrimeLink 9065 and 9070... There've been zero changes to the xerographic system or the supplies.

(Granted, most of my 570's started their lives as a 550's or 560's, but they're all 570's now! *wink* haha)

Also some C75's and for B&W, D136. (The D136 is like the 570, the second release of the same family. It brought in legitimate improvements, too... The new LGK Low Gloss Black toner, and Grayscale Calibration on the Fiery, which the D95/110/125 don't have "official" access to. So basically, the D136 was a beta-PrimeLink B9100 series printer.)

I'm currently thinking of switching my main workhorse from the 570 to the C75, though, as the 570's get tired. I typically give up on them once they get to around 8 or 9 million prints. But I really like the double-sheet detection on the C75's.

I take it back, I do feel some pain, but the only pain is with EFI not Xerox... Every single one of the machines I've settled into right now is Fiery System FS100 max, and for the latest Command Workstation, they cut the line at FS150. Grr! So the latest v6 version I can run is v6.5. And they state that v6.5 is not compatible with Mac M-series processors. I have, however, been using v6.5 installed on a M1 Mac for two years now without a hint of trouble. But every new macOS version I worry...

[Caffeine]

Re: Docucolor 240 - Use other RIP core

It's a shame there isn't a newer solution to run our DC240 as it's still in pristine condition. It is the CREO server which is unfortunately obsolete.

We are still able to find the consumables quite easily.
I wonder if it is possible to print directly without any server on this machine, which would save us a lot of trouble.

I saw somewhere an installation with a simple driver that connects directly. There is a USB socket on the DC240 and I wonder what it can be used for.

Regards,

No, the 240-250-242-252-260 require a Fiery or Creo or FreeFlow. They have no built in print functionality. Only copying can be done without a front end server.

It wasn't until the next generation, the 550-560 (and then later the 570 was added) where there is the option for built in printing.

(Basically, they merged the DocuColor and WorkCentre lines into a single product line at that point.)