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  • Caffeine
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    7002/8002/8080 toner in 5000

    Curious if anyone has experimented with this combination? I know they are different toners, but I suspect they would work, at least without causing mechanical problems anyway. I wonder what the result is like, though? The newer toners are supposed to be "matte" as I recall. I am wondering if that matte-ness comes from changes to the toner, or if they've achieved it with changes to the fuser temperature and/or pressure. I wonder how matte it would be coming out of a 5000...?
  • kingpd@businessprints.net
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    Re: 7002/8002/8080 toner in 5000

    My understanding is the 5000 is shiny from the fuser oil.

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    • Caffeine
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      Re: 7002/8002/8080 toner in 5000

      Originally posted by kingpd@businessprints.net
      My understanding is the 5000 is shiny from the fuser oil.
      The 7002/8002/8080 use the exact same fuser oil.
      Last edited by Caffeine; 06-23-2012, 08:08 AM.

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      • kingpd@businessprints.net
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        Re: 7002/8002/8080 toner in 5000

        What about the 7000/8000?

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        • Caffeine
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          Re: 7002/8002/8080 toner in 5000

          Originally posted by kingpd@businessprints.net
          What about the 7000/8000?
          Yes, they all use the same oil. 2045/2060/5252/6060/7000/8000/7002/8002/8080 and 5000.

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          • b003ace
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            • Jun 2008
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            #6
            Re: 7002/8002/8080 toner in 5000

            Originally posted by Caffeine
            Curious if anyone has experimented with this combination? I know they are different toners, but I suspect they would work, at least without causing mechanical problems anyway. I wonder what the result is like, though? The newer toners are supposed to be "matte" as I recall. I am wondering if that matte-ness comes from changes to the toner, or if they've achieved it with changes to the fuser temperature and/or pressure. I wonder how matte it would be coming out of a 5000...?
            I don't believe this combination would work very well. The conversion from 8000 to 8002 required many modifications to the xerographic hardware, especially the drums. It also required many voltage level changes. Your 5000 drums would not likely last 25% of normal life. The 8002 drums are hard coated and have DUAL cleaning systems to correct for many IQ problems that developed with the "matte" toner. And the difference in gloss is not that significant, due to the machine still using an oil based fuser. Customers who really need a "matte" finish should consider upgrading to the 800/1000, which does not use fuser oil per se.

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            • Caffeine
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              Re: 7002/8002/8080 toner in 5000

              Originally posted by b003ace
              I don't believe this combination would work very well. The conversion from 8000 to 8002 required many modifications to the xerographic hardware, especially the drums. It also required many voltage level changes. Your 5000 drums would not likely last 25% of normal life. The 8002 drums are hard coated and have DUAL cleaning systems to correct for many IQ problems that developed with the "matte" toner. And the difference in gloss is not that significant, due to the machine still using an oil based fuser. Customers who really need a "matte" finish should consider upgrading to the 800/1000, which does not use fuser oil per se.
              Ooh, that is exactly the kind of information I was looking for! Thanks. All of those xerographic changes are news to me, and like you said, they are exactly the kind of thing to watch out for for a trick like this.That said, I'm pretty happy when I get 25% on my drums NOW... The 5000 drums, being basically the same as 250 drums, use the PCR roller for charge on the color units. Black is of course a single corotron wire. 99.9% of my problems with 250/5000 drums is PCR roller related. What are the pros and cons of a PCR roller vs corona wire? I've always guessed that it was electricity requirement related... Do corona wires require more juice to operate correctly? If so, that would explain the choice since the 250 was designed to be a 110v office machine. Perhaps having 4 corotron-charged drums would push it over the limit for 110v. The black drums sure seems reliable compared to the color ones, though.

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              • davidj7
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                Re: 7002/8002/8080 toner in 5000

                caffeinei also have 5000's but i extend the life of drum by cleaning the PCR with a locally available polishing agent . extends the life by 25% and there are chineese pcr's available in the market its a touch and go with 50% chance that pcr will work . Their quality is inconsistent but the ones that work is as good as xerox ones nearly doubling the life of a drum. I managed to get 40K prints on a drum unit printing 12.6x 19.2 with 90% coverage.regarding your toner issues ive seen some using DC240 toner in DC5000 i personally wont suggest any replacement toner though .
                a machine is only as good as your tech : source:screwtape ; the scary one

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