Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

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  • johva
    Technician
    • Feb 2009
    • 48

    #1

    Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

    We have two Konica Minolta C253 that both have the same odd DF-611 jam problem. Single page DF Scan will jam with about 3 inches of the original showing on DF-611 exit. If we Scan 2 documents page one scans with no problem but page 2 will jam. A three page scan will produce the same results, page 1 & 2 will exit flawlessly but page three will jam. It is always the last page that will jam on exit no matter how many pages are fed into the doc feeder. We replaced doc feeds from working machines in our inventory with no success. We also updated firmware. Any ideas what can cause this problem. Please advise. Thank you, Johva.
  • Shadow
    PHD in Sh!t Disturbing

    250+ Posts
    • Sep 2011
    • 455

    #2
    Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

    what is the jam code?
    check the code and then inspect the sensor before and after the given location.
    what is the condition of the feed rollers and mylars?
    have you done firmware updates?

    just some points to check.
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    • Darren King
      copiertech

      500+ Posts
      • Jul 2007
      • 652

      #3
      Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

      Sounds like the actuator at the DF entrance is sticking. I have seen them get bent and not move freely. Or the actuator will come out of its holders under the top cover.
      Hope this helps.
      Darren

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      • fixthecopier
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        • Apr 2008
        • 4714

        #4
        Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

        Originally posted by Darren King
        Sounds like the actuator at the DF entrance is sticking. I have seen them get bent and not move freely. Or the actuator will come out of its holders under the top cover.
        Hope this helps.
        Darren

        Darren is correct. That entrance actuator is sticking. Been there before.
        The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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        • JustManuals
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          • Jan 2006
          • 9838

          #5
          Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

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          • johva
            Technician
            • Feb 2009
            • 48

            #6
            Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

            Shadow: There is no jam code, feed rollers and mylar are all good. Firmware update has been performed. We will check sensors next and see if our problem goes away. Thanks, Johva.

            what is the jam code?

            check the code and then inspect the sensor before and after the given location.
            what is the condition of the feed rollers and mylars?
            have you done firmware updates?

            just some points to check.

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            • johva
              Technician
              • Feb 2009
              • 48

              #7
              Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

              Darren: The actuator is hanging freely with no binds. We will inspect it further when we take it apart to physically inspect the sensors. Thank you, Johva.

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              • blackcat4866
                Master Of The Obvious

                Site Contributor
                10,000+ Posts
                • Jul 2007
                • 22941

                #8
                Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

                Check that the flag is setting in the holders in the frame, and that the torsion spring is still there.

                When there is an original jam, certain users leave the lid closed and yank backwards, against the feed direction of the paper. The switch flag is levered up, and pops out of it's holder.

                I recommend to my users to first: open the lid; second: don't yank; third: whenever possible remove paper in the normal direction of travel, not against direction of travel.
                =^..^=
                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                • princef18
                  Technician
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 37

                  #9
                  Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

                  There is a possibility the feed sensor is faulty and it is reading as papers still present. You might want to clean it or replace it if you have a spare one.

                  Also check to see if the actuator spring is in its position. I had a situation where the spring was displaced and the duplex scanning would bring jams.

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                  • MVPunisher
                    Trusted Tech

                    Site Contributor
                    100+ Posts
                    • May 2013
                    • 209

                    #10
                    Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

                    I would have to agree this is some sort of feed sensor/actuator issue. After all originals are being fed it still thinks there is another one there and tries to feed again, stopping the machine when the paper does not reach the next sensor.

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                    • avecosat
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                      • Jun 2012
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                      #11

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                      • blackcat4866
                        Master Of The Obvious

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                        • Jul 2007
                        • 22941

                        #12
                        Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

                        Originally posted by avecosat
                        modificated .
                        Wow. I learned a new word today. =^..^=
                        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                        • JR2ALTA
                          Service Manager

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                          • Feb 2010
                          • 2028

                          #13
                          Sometimes playing with the sep assembly spring makes all the difference, there are three spots. Also the primary one way (clutch) is the same as used I the 200 series feed units, they will slip

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                          • johva
                            Technician
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 48

                            #14
                            Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

                            Thanks for your input. We had a service call with the same problem machine #3 and was able to fix a binding actuator # 9J07320101. It works fine. We removed a DF611 from a working C253 and installed it on the C253 with the doc feed jam problem. No joy, it's still jamming. Are we going around in circles? What I mean is that if we install a working doc feeder should we update firmware and apply all the ADF adjustments in Tech Rep Mode before we can expect it to work. Never had to go through all the adjustments on previous models. Please advise. Johva.

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                            • fixthecopier
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                              • Apr 2008
                              • 4714

                              #15
                              Re: Konica Minolta C253 DF-611 Jams

                              Originally posted by johva
                              Thanks for your input. We had a service call with the same problem machine #3 and was able to fix a binding actuator # 9J07320101. It works fine. We removed a DF611 from a working C253 and installed it on the C253 with the doc feed jam problem. No joy, it's still jamming. Are we going around in circles? What I mean is that if we install a working doc feeder should we update firmware and apply all the ADF adjustments in Tech Rep Mode before we can expect it to work. Never had to go through all the adjustments on previous models. Please advise. Johva.

                              If you swapped the doc feeders and have the exact same jam, I would look at bosrds.
                              The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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