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  • Hansoon
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    • Sep 2007
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    I think it's the laser.......

    ......... Bizhub-350.

    Prints are having slightly wobbly lines. My gut tells me it could only be the laser unit (PH). Waddayah guys think?

    Hans
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  • EarthKmTech
    Step aside, noob
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    • May 2009
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    #2
    Re: I think it's the laser.......

    polygons spinning on the piss, replace the ph assy

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    • blackcat4866
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      • Jul 2007
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      #3
      Re: I think it's the laser.......

      I'll second ... third that. =^..^=
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • wseyller
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        • Sep 2012
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        #4
        Re: I think it's the laser.......

        This series I have replace more print heads than any other models combined. Normally though it is when then sound like a wind up siren but they don't show any issue on the print. In a couple cases they wind up and code out, but never have seen them cause image quality issues unless something was blocking the laser path.

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        • Hansoon
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          #5
          Re: I think it's the laser.......

          This series I have replace more print heads than any other models combined. Normally though it is when then sound like a wind up siren but they don't show any issue on the print. In a couple cases they wind up and code out, but never have seen them cause image quality issues unless something was blocking the laser path.
          That's EXACTLY my experience with the BH-350 series. This is the first time it give problems with the print quality hence I felt a little unsure. From the image it could only be the laser though, no way an image unit or else can cause this.

          Thanks guys.

          Hans
          " Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0 "

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          • wseyller
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            • Sep 2012
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            #6
            I have had the developer unit gear worn out enough to cause some issue but can't remember if it looked like your image. The gear skipping caused the lines to look funny but if it was that I think you would hear it. I do think it is the PH.

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            • Blizzoo
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              #7
              Re: I think it's the laser.......

              Had this issue twice on a single Canon IR BW range located in a very dirty enviroment.The waves was more pronounced than in your pics but after cleaning the laser unit everything was ok,lol.
              Definitly PH unit.
              Defects are simple, our mind is complicated

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              • Hansoon
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                #8
                "SOLVED" Re: I think it's the laser.......

                *SOLVED*.....for the moment.....

                Since I was yesterday in that extreme lazy mood and didn't want to do the gruesome hateful job of replacing the laser unit on that BH-350, I cleaned the bushing and shaft of the polygon mirror and motor and.....Cha-Ching! Wobbled lines went away instantly.

                Will sacrifice today a cute fluffy vertebrate to the copier gods hoping that the laser unit will remain stable at least a year like that.

                Hans
                " Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0 "

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                • brent
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                  #9
                  Re: I think it's the laser.......

                  so instead of removing the laser unit. you took the exit tray off and removed the top of the laser and did it that way?
                  I have had to replace lots of these series lase units as well
                  got quite proficient at it.. unfortunately.. lol

                  brent

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                  • Hansoon
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                    #10
                    Re: I think it's the laser.......

                    Originally posted by brent
                    so instead of removing the laser unit. you took the exit tray off and removed the top of the laser and did it that way?
                    I have had to replace lots of these series lase units as well
                    got quite proficient at it.. unfortunately.. lol

                    brent
                    Yes that's what I did.

                    If they are making noise it is because one of the little beige colored lumps, which are applied at the factory for balancing the polygon mirror, fell off and is laying somewhere in the black box. Try to find it and put it back where it came from. With the proper light shining at an angle on the base of the polygon mirror you can see where it was originally sitting. I applied a very, very tiny drop of crazy glue with a toothpick at that spot first. Until now I managed to revive four units with this method.

                    Hans
                    " Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0 "

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                    • fixthecopier
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                      • Apr 2008
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                      #11
                      Re: "SOLVED" Re: I think it's the laser.......

                      Originally posted by Hansoon
                      *SOLVED*.....for the moment.....

                      Since I was yesterday in that extreme lazy mood and didn't want to do the gruesome hateful job of replacing the laser unit on that BH-350, I cleaned the bushing and shaft of the polygon mirror and motor and.....Cha-Ching! Wobbled lines went away instantly.

                      Will sacrifice today a cute fluffy vertebrate to the copier gods hoping that the laser unit will remain stable at least a year like that.

                      Hans


                      Getting to the laser isn't bad, it's undoing all the wire holders. You can't tell me that they couldn't make those plug into the laser AND the board, instead of having it straight wired. And don't forget the 20+ screws you have to remove to get to the board.
                      The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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                      • CompyTech
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                        • Feb 2011
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                        #12
                        Re: I think it's the laser.......

                        I got the 250s down to a science. What's worse was changing one on a muratec mfx2850. If you do not know what an MFX 2850 is it is a bastardized bizhub250, there are multiple boards to be removed to get to the ribbon cable.

                        Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

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                        • brent
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                          Re: I think it's the laser.......

                          just taking to upper and lower back covers off almost irritates me.. lol
                          then routing the cables to the board. after all that. I would send you all my bad
                          lasers. but I drop kick them becuase all thework it is just to access them
                          yu have more patience then I do brotha

                          brent

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                          • Hansoon
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                            #14
                            Re: I think it's the laser.......

                            I would send you all my bad
                            lasers. but I drop kick them becuase all thework it is just to access them
                            yu have more patience then I do brotha
                            I have patience to reanimate a laser unit, - that's fun and saves money - but to remove 40+ darn screws to be able to take out that print head is too much for my temper....

                            Hans
                            " Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0 "

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                            • brent
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                              Re: I think it's the laser.......

                              Originally posted by Hansoon
                              I have patience to reanimate a laser unit, - that's fun and saves money - but to remove 40+ darn screws to be able to take out that print head is too much for my temper....

                              Hans
                              A lot of minolta products. Excuse me. Konica minolta. Products. Lol. Have tons of screws. Just to get to the stuff to replace. Hans. You been working on these as long as me. Or longer? 1994 is my start time
                              but my dad owned a minolta deLership and he started in 1978

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