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    BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    I have machine with corrupted CF card, I'm unable to copy all the files to second one. Machine restarts soon after boot, unable to enter service mode. Could any one send my CF contents?

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    Re: BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    Quote Originally Posted by bswiech View Post
    I have machine with corrupted CF card, I'm unable to copy all the files to second one. Machine restarts soon after boot, unable to enter service mode. Could any one send my CF contents?

    thanks
    IF you're a KM tech, then you should have access to the base firmware on the KM Site. If not then either hire a tech to come out, or offer to pay someone for the files (not me though). Emujo

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    Don't brick this expensive machine man, get a km tech.

    Cf cards dropping like flies

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    Re: BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    you can not copy data from one to another with the Cf with "copy - paste" but you must use DISKTOOL and I think. I remember that the CF is 244MB and not 256MB.
    To have a certain degree you'll want to order a new CF and this make the image with the DISKTOOL necessity for the next
    PS = when you update the FW does not turn off the machine until the display does not write end

    bye
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    Re: BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    Quote Originally Posted by roberto.bertolani View Post
    you can not copy data from one to another with the Cf with "copy - paste" but you must use DISKTOOL and I think. I remember that the CF is 244MB and not 256MB.
    To have a certain degree you'll want to order a new CF and this make the image with the DISKTOOL necessity for the next
    PS = when you update the FW does not turn off the machine until the display does not write end

    bye

    Sure you can...as long as the card is working, and we assume only the files are corrupted, delete the files, (or format the card), download and extract the base files, copy and paste them to the CF card. No need for disktool, but you have to reload the remaining firmware step by step. The only time this has not worked for me is when I accidently left the Zip file on the card. Emujo

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    Re: BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    Quote Originally Posted by emujo View Post
    Sure you can...as long as the card is working, and we assume only the files are corrupted, delete the files, (or format the card), download and extract the base files, copy and paste them to the CF card. No need for disktool, but you have to reload the remaining firmware step by step. The only time this has not worked for me is when I accidently left the Zip file on the card. Emujo
    Formatting card is a bad idea because of two things:
    - there is possibility for permanent damage of CF card - after formatting size of card decreases to ~238MB, and you cannot use it in the machine anymore
    - formatting removes VxWorks boot sector - in this case simple copy'n'paste will not help

    There are 3 ways:
    - order a new card from KM
    - when bootsector is untouched, you can copy and paste files from another working card
    - in the other cases the only way is recovering card from image

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    Re: BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    Only the color series (C350/450 though C650) use the VXWorks format...Thats why when try to read a color formatted card with Windows you get a "do you want to format this card now" message. The B&W use a windows format..that's why you can read the files from a B&W MFP. Works the same for the 501/751 series..You can format the card, then copy and paste the base files to the card and pop it back in the MFP. Emujo

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    Re: BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    Quote Originally Posted by emujo View Post
    Only the color series (C350/450 though C650) use the VXWorks format...Thats why when try to read a color formatted card with Windows you get a "do you want to format this card now" message. The B&W use a windows format..that's why you can read the files from a B&W MFP. Works the same for the 501/751 series..You can format the card, then copy and paste the base files to the card and pop it back in the MFP. Emujo
    Emujo, I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Look at this file listing made from 601/751 card:

    2010-03-18 17:17 <DIR> nvmemory
    2009-12-03 16:18 <DIR> Set
    2010-02-04 11:31 <DIR> Doc
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> Fax
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> iFax
    2010-02-04 11:31 <DIR> Log
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> Jobmng
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> JobLog
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> Capture
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> FlatDir
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> DBG_SystemLog
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> Trash
    2010-03-18 17:05 <DIR> Tmp
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> EncPdfDb
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> EncPdfFile
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> Thumb
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> AuthDev
    2000-01-01 00:00 <DIR> Xps
    2009-11-09 15:36 38˙295 nclbackup.dat
    2009-12-03 16:16 13 machineType.bin
    2009-12-03 15:43 3˙657˙016 vxWorks.sbak
    2010-02-04 11:21 13˙967˙864 appRom1.o
    2010-02-04 11:21 475˙040 bootrom.bak
    2010-02-04 11:21 475˙040 bootrom.sys
    2010-02-04 11:21 3˙657˙016 vxWorks.sub
    2010-02-04 11:21 <DIR> Adj
    2010-02-04 11:21 <DIR> Etc
    2010-02-04 11:21 3˙248˙093 appRom2.o
    2010-02-04 11:21 1˙625˙681 appRom3.o
    2010-02-04 11:21 4˙621˙977 ram1.bin
    2010-02-04 11:21 12˙867˙238 ram2.bin
    2000-06-24 22:14 <DIR> nvddefval
    2010-02-04 11:21 22˙476˙148 vxWorks

    Can you see vxWorks file? This is main image of VxWorks oparating system - loaded at startup to RAM of the machine.

    You can mount this card in Windows because it is formatted as FAT16 which is supported by Windows.
    You cannot mount CF Card prepared for color machine in Windows just because Windows has poor support for other filesystems - but it doesn't mean that this is VxWorks format.

    Most of the machines got their own flash memory for operating system (usually it is internally formatted similar way to FAT), in case of Bizhub 601/751 (and few other) there is no flash memories on the machine motherboard - there is CF Card instead of them for holding operating system. If you could take a look at color machine flash, you should see something very similar to BH601 CFCard directory listing.

    CF Card prepared for color machine isn't holding real working copy of copier OS, but just some parts of system (and addresses where) to replace that parts in copier flash memory.
    Last edited by jotunn; 11-16-2012 at 09:18 PM.

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    Re: BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    dear jotunn,
    you're absolutely right, if you try to do the "copy - paste" the copier part because by now. the CF is damaged and this happened to me because a colleague has shut down the machine before the end of the FW update

    bye from Italy

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    Re: BizHub 751 corrupted CF card

    If you format the cf card from a B601/751 in windows you'll f*ck it up.

    I've made that mistake before, learn from my mistakes so you don't have to make them too

    I just use a new card these days as it just works the first time, every time, having said that I don't see corrupt cards very often at all anyway.

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