Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

[Iowatech]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

[QUOTE=SalesServiceGuy;566717]

Sorry but insurance companies were abandoning Obamacare like rats leaving a sinking ship long before this
Cant all be blamed on Republican party

The Democrats never said that Obamacare was perfect and campaigned that it needed to be approved.

Insurance companies crave predictability and the Trump Administration via actions and innuendo is trying to make Obamacare collapse.

In a surprise statement, President Trump said on Tuesday that the Healthcare plan passed by the Republican congress was "too mean". He was implying that the Senate would pass a bill that was more inclusive to average Americans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/u...bill-mean.html

More useless overly dramatic fluff.
Then again, as you have acted entirely oblivious to that for so long I guess you wouldn't understand. That's too bad, too. You used to be a good tech.
Oh well, I look forward to you becoming relevant again.

[Copier Addict]

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Why is it that everyone confuses Health Care with health coverage. I have had times in my life when I did not have health coverage, but was still able to go to my doctor, the pharmacy, etc and receive health care.

If that is the case, why bother with "health coverage"?

[Copier Addict]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

[QUOTE=Iowatech;566866]

More useless overly dramatic fluff.
Then again, as you have acted entirely oblivious to that for so long I guess you wouldn't understand. That's too bad, too. You used to be a good tech.
Oh well, I look forward to you becoming relevant again.

More useless, over dramatic personal attack on someone simply posting information.

[gneebore]

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If that is the case, why bother with "health coverage"?

Many years ago I actually had health insurance. I paid for it. The coverage was for emergency or catastrophic illness and injury. I paid for routine doctor visits and any prescriptions. There were actually family doctor offices that allowed for no-appointment visits for minor injury treatment and other non-serious illness. Treat a sprain, cold or even stitches for a cut as long as there wasn't any serious tissue damage. If under the policy back then you ended up with (just for example) a case of food poisoning and needed the emergency room treatment then you paid a deductable and everything else was covered. That share of cost you paid was 1,000.00 dollars and 10 percent until you paid out 1,500 per year. Then things started getting goofy. Every visit to your doctor had to have a maximum co-pay amount via regulations. Put in place by do-gooder activists that demanded insurance cover everything imaginable. Deductable amounts went way up and even worse so did the cost of going to the doctor. Main reason my current doctors have to charge more is there are over one thousand treatment categories that are listed in the billing process. A requirement put into place by government regulations and medicare/medicaid coverages.

Then we get to the costs for lab work. I actually had the cost go down by losing my insurance coverage. The lab that does my blood work has a cash payment option that is less than 30 percent of the cost when using insurance. Why you may ask? The company has two full time employees who only job is justify the reasoning behind the blood tests they are performing at the request of the doctor!

Now for the real stupid nonsense that came out with obamacare, Back before it was enacted I did not pay for coverage of, elective plastic surgery, mandatory diagnostic testing for conditions deemed essential by regulators(read colonoscopies), or and this is a good one, treatment for alcoholism, or substance abuse. After obamacare i was required to pay for gender reassignment surgery coverage, pregnancy and childbirth coverage, the really expensive diagnostics coverage(even if I did not have a family history of the illness) So why in the heck should I as a sixty year old single male be required to pay for coverage I would never need? I know I would never use gender reassignment surgery, never worry about childbirth or even the often quoted need for a colonoscopy? Yes I had insurance before obamacare went into effect. It was through work and work paid sixty percent as part of the employee benefits. The month before obamacare went into effect my cost went from 250.00 per month to over 1,300 per month with all the required coverage I never needed before then.

[slimslob]

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If that is the case, why bother with "health coverage"?

Protection against major illness and injuries i.e. hospitalization.

[Phil B.]

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The truth is that they don't actually want single payer, they want single provider. Id est, they want the government running all hospitals, doctor's offices, labs, clinics, urgent care facilities, etc. They want all doctors, nurses, med techs, etc working for the government. In other words, one huge VA type medical system, and we know how well the government runs the VA system.

single payer.. single provider ..split hairs much? either way it is a failure here... but now that the republicans came out with a plan that ALMOST mirrors ACA.. it's going to kill MILLIONS of people and destroy the economy...

talk about how many are killed by guns a year ( or as Gov. McCauliff say 93million a day) but there are more deaths attributed to DOCTORS per year than guns.

[Coptech]

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single payer.. single provider ..split hairs much? either way it is a failure here... but now that the republicans came out with a plan that ALMOST mirrors ACA.. it's going to kill MILLIONS of people and destroy the economy...

talk about how many are killed by guns a year ( or as Gov. McCauliff say 93million a day) but there are more deaths attributed to DOCTORS per year than guns.

"splitting hairs" Had an old guy once tell me "it sounds to me like you are trying to pick the fly shit out of the pepper"

[slimslob]

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single payer.. single provider ..split hairs much?

Huge difference. Under single payer you get to choose your doctor. Under single provider you go where the government tells you.

there are more deaths attributed to DOCTORS per year than guns.

I shall assume that you are referring to abortions.

[Phil B.]

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Huge difference. Under single payer you get to choose your doctor. Under single provider you go where the government tells you.

THEN the ACA was single provider because those that HAD it couldn't pick whom they went to.



I shall assume that you are referring to abortions.

no I am referring to fuck ups by the doctors... or staph infections from improperly cleaned instruments ..

[SalesServiceGuy]

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So what is going on with President Trump's trip to Florida today to campaign style announce his new policies to Cuba?

I have been to Cuba personally three times. It is a great, inexpensive place to go for a winter vacation. I would like to go back again.

The USA's position on Cuba has totally failed for the last 49 years. President Obama recognized that failure and tried to make moves to normalize political relations. President Trump for the last 214 days has mostly counted his success as repealing the Obama era executive orders.

President Trump, said today, said a lot things about Cuba that are likely not going to happen about Cuba. It was more of a campaign style rally than an actual policy presentation.

Was the real motive to appeal to his Florida base and not really care about policy?

[theengel]

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So, you went to Cuba and took advantage of destitute people? Put money into the hands of their oppressors? Kick any puppies while you were down there?

[Copier Addict]

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So, you went to Cuba and took advantage of destitute people? Put money into the hands of their oppressors? Kick any puppies while you were down there?

If you had ever been to Cuba you would realise they aren't destitute. Are they rich? Nob but a lot of the necessities are provided. Stop believing the RWUSM (right wing US media)

[theengel]

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That's why they risk their lives trying to reach our shores.

[theengel]

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I like that. A "lot of the necessities." Which ones aren't provided? Considering the fact that they need them, it seems they would all be provided.

[slimslob]

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If you had ever been to Cuba you would realise they aren't destitute. Are they rich? Nob but a lot of the necessities are provided. Stop believing the RWUSM (right wing US media)

When you go to Cuba, you are shown only what the Cuban government allows you to see. That is unless you wish to risk spending time in jail. The people only tell what they are allowed to say otherwise they risk being executed.