Any stargazers out there...?

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

If the sun was a big piece of Oak firewood you would be correct, it would reduce in size as time moved on and burnt out many years ago..The sun is a Gianormous ball of gas, mostly hydrogen, under immense pressure. This immense pressure generates heat and induces fusion. When hydrogen fuses it becomes another element (Helium in this case) and gives off light in the process. The sun will continue to work this way until it can no longer fuse the elements into something higher up the food chain. In our case it will stop at carbon and be the biggest diamond around for a few light years. But amazingly enough it will still have the same mass it has at the moment, and our earth (if anything is left) will continue to orbit around this stellar core. E

Some scientists openly admit ,they don't know where the main power source of the Sun is derrived from :"There are strange unearthly phenomenon along the way".

htttps://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/09/05/the-suns-energy-doesnt-come-from-fusing-hydrogen-into-helium-mostly/#62b5fe8d70f9

The Sun's Energy Doesn't Come From Fusing Hydrogen Into Helium (Mostly)

[emujo2]

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Read it and understand what the article is saying..Don't agree or disagree..But I will say when you post "the sun is a ball of metals", then post a link that 100% contradicts your statement, but you still will use it to rebuke my comments, I again have to question your beliefs. E

[theengel]

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You see? He saw some videos about magnets losing their magnetism in heat, combined with the fact that there is some iron in the sun, and concluded that the sun must not be hot because it didn't lose its magnetism. Adding to that something about orbits and revolutions (I think he was just throwing those in to sound smart--I don't think they have anything to do with his line of thinking). Anyway, he can't be bothered with the hundreds of other facts about the sun, because it involves thinking about too many things at once. He can't hold these thoughts, and also introduce the idea of nuclear fusion (and how that might effect a magnetic field) or even accept known facts about the sun that aren't understandable right now. He can grasp on to those two things. Heat affects magnets. That's it. Leave everything else out.

Fascinating.

[emujo2]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

Some scientists openly admit ,they don't know where the main power source of the Sun is derrived from :"There are strange unearthly phenomenon along the way".

htttps://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/09/05/the-suns-energy-doesnt-come-from-fusing-hydrogen-into-helium-mostly/#62b5fe8d70f9

The Sun's Energy Doesn't Come From Fusing Hydrogen Into Helium (Mostly)

:"There are strange unearthly phenomenon along the way".

Anything that happens anywhere off the earth is "unearthly" doesn't mean it's not unsunly

[NeoMatrix]

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:"There are strange unearthly phenomenon along the way".

Anything that happens anywhere off the earth is "unearthly" doesn't mean it's not unsunly

The "facts" however illusive will always stand.
Unearthly pretains to any number of universal offworld phenomena.
The actual atomic interactions of the Sun are illusive enigmatic and complex, "at present". I don't profess to know the "exact" atomic process.

The majority would tend to agree, it is interest when reading other scientist papers, how they raise red flags within their own field of study. When they start to raise more questions requiring further answers. It must bemuse student phyisicts ability to move their comprehension forward when those learning students are presented with conflicting science fact. Example: The electron is both a particle and a wave.

Where does science fact start and science fiction end?
If we knew the final answer, it would no longer be call research.

Any pioneering scientist/reseacher who moves their field of reseach outside of the science status quo, is marginalised.
When those same scientist become recognised, every other scientist jumps on the band wagon for a share of the science spot light... Oh I knew this, I knew that, whats what big deal. But those same scientist were so ready to crucify thier fellow researcher before he/she reached recognition status.

[theengel]

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Electrons are not waves. They are particles. They are always particles.

[slimslob]

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Electrons are not waves. They are particles. They are always particles.

Guess again boy child. Are Electrons Particles or Waves? The Surprising Answer is … YES! – The Science Assayer

[BLADE]

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Guess again boy child.

kinda by weird coincidence the home page on the above site had an article about virus research

[theengel]

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electrons and other particles also have wave properties similar to those observed for light

That doesn't make them waves. They are still particles.

[emujo2]

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I really have a hard time saying this, but I agree with Neo on this..Electrons are both particles and waves as demonstrated in the dual slit experiment decades ago. When you start talking about things working a the quantum level anything can happen..We know that "particles" are streaming when you fire an electron gun at a CRT, but the interferance pattern generated in the dual slit expeiment would indicate they also act as waves..E

[theengel]

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Just because something follows the patterns of waves doesn't mean it is a wave. It is still a particle. By observing it, you add light, and light changes its behavior--because light is a wave.

I hear about this experiment all the time spouted by those who want us to stand in awe of quantum mechanics, and I think people over-complicate this.

Think of dropping a bunch of Styrofoam balls into the water. They all spread out--the center containing more than the edges. Now, create a constant wave in the water. The little balls will line up as if they are part of the wave. But they are not waves. They are being effected by the waves.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Any stargazers out there...?

I really have a hard time saying this, but I agree with Neo on this..Electrons are both particles and waves as demonstrated in the dual slit experiment decades ago. When you start talking about things working a the quantum level anything can happen..We know that "particles" are streaming when you fire an electron gun at a CRT, but the interferance pattern generated in the dual slit experiment would indicate they also act as waves..E

I read this, didn't understand everything, but it looks like the type of experiment caused the particles to act as waves. It is almost like some scientist said "I think atoms are waves and particles" and devised an experiment that would create the desired effect.

[NeoMatrix]

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Just because something follows the patterns of waves doesn't mean it is a wave. It is still a particle. By observing it, you add light, and light changes its behavior--because light is a wave.

I hear about this experiment all the time spouted by those who want us to stand in awe of quantum mechanics, and I think people over-complicate this.

Think of dropping a bunch of Styrofoam balls into the water. They all spread out--the center containing more than the edges. Now, create a constant wave in the water. The little balls will line up as if they are part of the wave. But they are not waves. They are being effected by the waves.

Another point of view:
Assuming you are correct and the electron is a particle,
the flow of electrons ( physical matter) from one material to another
material would cause a loss in the first material.

To test the matter-particle electron theory:
Take a large electrical generator. Place it inside an air tight container with an accurate pressure gauge to measure the pressure inside the container. Remember no air can get in or out of the air tight container. ( Assume the generator runs on bank of batteries.)

Start the electrical generater going. Place a heavy electrical load on the output of the generator causing a heavy current to flow outside the container. If the electron was a particle, then particles should be leaving the air tight container with the heavy current coming outside the container. Over time we should see a drop in pressure inside the air tight container as particles/electrons are removed from inside the container.

Dispite a heavy flow of current from the generator the pressure inside the container remains the same. Any particles leaving the container would have caused a measureable drop in pressure inside the container.
It should be suffice that the electron cannot be a particle.

The truth is that the generator causes waves(aka electrons) to form inside the magnets of the generator.The generator magnet deforms space to create a pressure wave we call the electron.

[slimslob]

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Another point of view:
Assuming you are correct and the electron is a particle,
the flow of electrons ( physical matter) from one material to another
material would cause a loss in the first material.

To test the matter-particle electron theory:
Take a large electrical generator. Place it inside an air tight container with an accurate pressure gauge to measure the pressure inside the container. Remember no air can get in or out of the air tight container. ( Assume the generator runs on bank of batteries.)

Start the electrical generater going. Place a heavy electrical load on the output of the generator causing a heavy current to flow outside the container. If the electron was a particle, then particles should be leaving the air tight container with the heavy current coming outside the container. Over time we should see a drop in pressure inside the air tight container as particles/electrons are remvoed from inside the container.

Dispite a heavy flow of current from the generator the pressure inside the generator remains the same. Any particles leaving the container would have caused a measureable drop in pressure inside the container.
It should be suffice that the electron cannot be a particle.

The truth is that the generator causes waves(aka electrons) to form inside the magnets of the generator.The generator magnet deforms space to create a pressure wave we call the electron.

Bad comparison. Remember, there are two connections the a generator. Electrons are pushed out one connector but an equal number of electrons are pulled back in the other. Net zero gain/loss.

[NeoMatrix]

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Bad comparison. Remember, there are two connections the a generator. Electrons are pushed out one connector but an equal number of electrons are pulled back in the other. Net zero gain/loss.

The Electron as a Wave:
Vacuum tube television with magnetic deguassing circuits create an interesting phenomenon.

The electron as a wave can have a varible wave form which causes various phenomenon.
Example:
If you set up an interference pattern by using short wave radio signals you can interfere with the electron sweep of a vacuum television and cause the image on the screen to invert.

If you vary the RF with even short wave lengths you can cause the white areas of the image to turn black, and the black areas of the image to turn white. Only by changing the electron wave pattern with another RF wave could you do this.
The electron as a particle cannot change its fixed particle attributes to invert black to white on the image.

I have some other examples:
If I drag out my old study notes there are examples that explain the gyration of gamma rays around the nuclear of atoms to cause excess electron/waves to form. Far greater electrons form than are in the atom itself.

All of my info is from a long time ago. I'm surprised I still recall half of it. Take it or leave it warts and all...