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  • david1972
    david1972
    • Nov 2008
    • 23

    #31
    can't buy that

    Sorry, but I'm up to here with this 'the media is so biased and anti-conservative' malarky. I guess no one watches Fox News or the other conservative shows, reads the Arkansas Democrat or the hundreds of other 'conservative' rags that spout venom and disinformation like it was God's word. I read from several national papers and get feeds from a half dozen foreign press. You want perspective, read what the rest of the world has to say about us.

    No one of a conservative bent seems to remember how the press tore up Carter or went after Clinton like mad dogs on the scent of a fox. The media's main concern is about the money. Which is the way it is in the realm of big business. It is all about the money - in newspapers its whatever sells advertising.

    Sure, Bush/Cheney and their neocon ideologues deserve every thing they get, but blaming the media for showing us what is what doesn't make the liberals or democrats smell any better. Congress has a low opinion rating for a darn good reason. Many darn good reasons and it doesn't seem to matter who is in power. Big business has a stink about it that it can't shake either, especially when they conned our leaders into buying that 'free markets will correct themselves' jive.

    You want to know why anything is the way it is in this country, set aside the partisan politics, blow off the whacked out talk jocks like Limbaugh, ignore the purposely distracting rants and bickering over moral 'issues' and follow the money.

    What do you think this 'tough on crime' baloney is all about? Making the country safer? Locking up druggies and pot heads won't make a dent in crime. Rehab programs are far cheaper and more effective. But paying fact cat contractors who dump millions into camapign coffers to build multi-billion dollar prisons that the states can't afford to staff or run, ah, that is what is real.

    Check out the wealth of the Bush cronies before and after he took office. Do the same for just about any Congressman. Follow the links to Wall Street. You want to know why anything is the way it is, follow the money. Can't say it any plainer than that.

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    • yourownfree
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      • Dec 2007
      • 474

      #32
      I dont know what happened, but I dont get it why either one of them ended up being the choice we had to choose from. Something went seriously wrong during the first stages. I just hope things get better. I see them getting worse already after watching TV. No drilling for oil is one. what about the deal that he might not have been born here in the US. You see that yet. He has to prove that he was to the courts before Jan 1st I understand. Yeah there is tales saying he was born in Kenya. Wouldn't that be something, and being briefed on country secrets, then find out he cant be president. Oh this is going to be one hell of a ride, oh well they wanted change.

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      • pjdbm
        Trusted Tech

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        • Sep 2007
        • 360

        #33
        Now that is a joke! Long drawn out post that are sugar coated.

        You just made a statement that the media is not liberal?? What rock did you crawl out from? Dont tell me you are a woodstock survivor?

        Fox news is the only TV channel thats in the middle or slightly to the right.

        All the alphabet channels, pbs, CNN,CNBC are all liberal. Conservatives have maybe one channel and thats 26.

        The next thing this guy is going to say is that the Academic system is not Liberal but Conservative. lol

        The mortgage crisis is 1) Jimmy Carter 2) Bill Clinton 3) Barney Frank 4) Chris Dodd

        Don't sweep Poop under the carpet, not all of us didn't finish high school and gone on to College.

        I want to Know about William Ayers!

        I want to know about Reverend Wright!

        I want to know more about the Character of this Chicago Thug!

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        • laserman06
          Conservative in Exile

          250+ Posts
          • Dec 2007
          • 323

          #34
          Originally posted by david1972
          Sorry, but I'm up to here with this 'the media is so biased and anti-conservative' malarky. I guess no one watches Fox News or the other conservative shows, reads the Arkansas Democrat or the hundreds of other 'conservative' rags that spout venom and disinformation like it was God's word. I read from several national papers and get feeds from a half dozen foreign press. You want perspective, read what the rest of the world has to say about us.


          . want to know why anything is the way it is in this country, set aside the partisan politics, blow off the whacked out talk jocks like Limbaugh, ignore the purposely distracting rants and bickering over moral 'issues' and follow the money.
          People need to get their head out of the sand. To see an example where the media is clearly biased watch this.



          If Chris Matthews thinks that it is the media's job to make sure that Obama succeeds. Why didn't he feel that way about Bush. All of the LIBERAL main stream media is drinking the Obama kool aid.
          The family that prays together, stays together!
          Smile God created you and He doesn't make mistakes!

          Relax, God IS in control!

          Be still and know that I am God
          Ps 46:10

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          • Jimbo1
            Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Mar 2008
            • 845

            #35
            To David1972

            I will accept what you say if they will immediately investigate Acorn and the God in Heaven alone knows how many fraudulent voter registration and possible fruadulent ballots.

            Oh and the little matter of the campaign charging radom folks credti cards very large sums of money without their ok. They didn't have to pay the bill but the campaign still got the money. Neat trick.

            But...

            You know he is a Democrat and after all we owe those wasscally wepublicans for 2000 so all that stuff is just ok.

            Stuff? What stuff?
            "Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you."

            Cdr. William Riker

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            • david1972
              david1972
              • Nov 2008
              • 23

              #36
              Truth in advertising

              laserman, you speak like a Rush Limbaugh conservative. Yes, the media has a liberal bias, but it isn't as far out as the talk jocks and conservative pundits want you to think.

              FOX news is just as far to the right as the main stream media is to the left. Listen to the adjectives they use, not just the statements they make.

              The new Republican head of NPR tried like mad to show that NPR had a strong liberal bias. Even hired two very conservative Republicans to review the programming for the past ten years to prove it. What they discovered was that NPR's program was evenly balanced with a very slight left bias. So don't believe everything FOX news and the talk jocks feed you.

              As to Obama, all this hooey about Ayers and Wright and the rest is designed to do one thing: to distract you from the real issues. Like the way the Bush Adminstration, its unqualified appointees and a fifty/fifty split Congress ran the economy into the ground.

              Or the way Cheney/Rumsfield steered our efforts away from Afghanistan and took aim at Iraq, which was a state well contained and no threat to America. Look to Katrina. Or why all the best people at FEMA left when Bush put an unqualified political appointee at the helm. The list of disastrous failures of the Bush Adminsitration is endless, which is why McCain had no chance of winning - he had nothing to run on.

              We can only hope that a change of leadership, a different way of looking at our problems will and new, qualified people at the helm of various agencies will make things right.

              As to the scare of socialism, just another diversion.

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              • Jimbo1
                Senior Tech

                500+ Posts
                • Mar 2008
                • 845

                #37
                Bubba you are so far left you think left is right.
                "Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you."

                Cdr. William Riker

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                • Jimbo1
                  Senior Tech

                  500+ Posts
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 845

                  #38
                  If you think NPR is Republican, youdo't know apples from oranges.

                  CNN is just way too Rush Limbaugh huh?
                  "Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you."

                  Cdr. William Riker

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                  • Shadow1
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1642

                    #39
                    Originally posted by david1972
                    Yes, the media has a liberal bias, but it isn't as far out as the talk jocks and conservative pundits want you to think.
                    No - it's worse. Joe the Plumber got ripped to shreds about nothing. Palin - who actually has more history than the other 3 candidates put together of trying to squash the political BS your talking about - got ripped to shreds among other things for not having enough experience to be VP - when in fact she is the only candidate with ANY executive experience.

                    But I didn't hear a peep from the mainstream media about Ayres. I don't care if Obama was only 8 when Ayres was "actively engaged in being an idiot" he's still actively teaching his idiot views.

                    I didn't hear a peep about Mr. KKKofA Wright. Either Obama listened to this man's rantings for the past 20 years, or he slept through church for 20 years...

                    It's scary that obama had 600 Million in campaign funds vs. 84 million and still ended up within 3 percentage points. It's scary that he found ways to spend most of that money - what kind of creative ways will he find to spend our tax money.

                    My Point: Give Obama his 600Mil and McCain 84Mil, but let the media actually be balanced, and dig just as hard into Ayres and Wright as they did into Joe the Plumber, and this is a blowout for the republicans - despite the republicans admitedly having tarnished their reptuation in the past few years.
                    73 DE W5SSJ

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                    • pjdbm
                      Trusted Tech

                      250+ Posts
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 360

                      #40
                      You see here folks, David just changed his tune! He first said that Liberalism does not exist in the main stream media and now he says it does.

                      Out of all the rubbish you spewed, you are right about one thing. The Conservatives own talk radio! the liberals tried it and failed!! So yes the fact is that The Liberals own the news by 10 to1 and Liberals own the papers, again about 10 to 1 but you got your asses kick in talk radio.

                      Until Barack Obama reinstalls the fairness Doctrine!!!!!!!



                      The Liberal left wants to corner the the market from the Academic,Mainstream Media and now the Radio. This is fair right????????


                      Now to the point here:

                      Why should anyone with a brain and Character, want to dismiss the facts that Barack Obama's friends and associates are Radical Anti-American Socialist.


                      Oh, but but but but that was such a long timmmmmmmme agoooooooo, he has chaaaaaanged, he is re habilllllllllitated himself.

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                      • pjdbm
                        Trusted Tech

                        250+ Posts
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 360

                        #41
                        Wash Post concedes bias for Obama

                        Examines past stories, photos


                        Monday, November 10, 2008




                        The mainstream press have been accused of being biased in favor of President-elect Barack Obama for months - a phenomenon now acknowledged by one of the nation's media heavyweights.
                        On Sunday, The Washington Post's ombudsman, Deborah Howell, offered evidence of an "Obama tilt" in her own newspaper.
                        "Readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts," Ms. Howell wrote in her column.
                        "Now Howell gives the mea culpa in her first column after Election Day, when it's far too late to do anything about it. Where was Howell during the last three months? Why wait until the election is over to speak up? That's an answer in itself," countered Ed Morrissey of Hot Air.
                        "Now she tells us," quipped Byron York of National Review.
                        Revelations of a pro-Obama press are not new.
                        A Pew Research Center survey released in late October found, for example, that 70 percent of voters agreed that the press wanted Mr. Obama to win the White House; the figure was 62 percent even among Democratic respondents. The same analysis found a Democrat-friendly press dating back to the 1992 presidential election.
                        A current Harvard University analysis revealed that 77 percent of Americans say the press in politically biased; of that group, 5 percent said it skewed conservative.
                        With the help of an assistant, Ms. Howell examined The Post's political coverage since Nov. 11, 2007. "Numbers don't tell you everything, but they give you a sense of The Post's priorities," she said.
                        The number of Obama-centric stories was 946, compared with 786 centered on John McCain until the presidential nominations were completed in June, she found. From then to Election Day, the tally was 626 stories for Mr. Obama, 584 for Mr. McCain.
                        Mr. Obama was on the front page 176 times, Mr. McCain, 144 times; 41 stories featured both candidates.
                        "The op-ed page ran far more laudatory opinion pieces on Obama, 32, than on Sen. John McCain, 13. There were far more negative pieces (58) about McCain than there were about Obama (32), and Obama got the editorial board's endorsement," Ms. Howell said.
                        The Post also ran more photographs of Mr. Obama. Since June 4, Mr. Obama was in 311 Post photos and Mr. McCain in 282. The Democrat also got splashier treatment, garnering larger pictures (133 to 121, respectively) and more color shots (164 to 133).
                        She compared her results to a study of the national news media conducted by the Project for Excellence in Journalism, which found that from June 9 to Nov. 2, two-thirds of the campaign stories were about Mr. Obama compared with 53 percent for Mr. McCain.

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                        • jpcopy
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                          • Apr 2006
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                          #42
                          David's comments about follow the money is correct. if mccain had won you could follow his money trail but now that obama has won we'll see where his trail leads. I'll bet it won't to help the people. anybody see the history channel a few nights ago on the chicago crime. I think it was going on as late as 2005 and probably is still going on. so I gess we will have to wait and see.

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                          • laserman06
                            Conservative in Exile

                            250+ Posts
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 323

                            #43
                            David, first of all let me thank you for your service to this country. Thank you for the sacrifices that you made. I salute you for that.

                            Originally posted by david1972
                            laserman, you speak like a Rush Limbaugh conservative. Yes, the media has a liberal bias, but it isn't as far out as the talk jocks and conservative pundits want you to think.

                            Actually David, I am a Reagan Conservative. I believe that the GOP has left me behind. First you say that liberal bias is malarky and now it is. Did you even listen to what Chris Matthews said? All I pointed out was that if he thinks that way now, why didn't he feel that way about it before. The left wing liberal media is having an orgy now that Obama has been elected.
                            Originally posted by david1972
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                            As to Obama, all this hooey about Ayers and Wright and the rest is designed to do one thing: to distract you from the real issues.
                            Character does not matter? I am from the old school of thought, you are judged to be like the friends you choose to be around. A person does not associate with people they do not like. The old saying "Two birds of a feather, flock together."
                            Originally posted by david1972
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                            Like the way the Bush Adminstration, its unqualified appointees and a fifty/fifty split Congress ran the economy into the ground.
                            Unqualified, it sounds like you think any conservative or Republican would be unqualified for even the post of dog catcher!
                            Originally posted by david1972
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                            Or the way Cheney/Rumsfield steered our efforts away from Afghanistan and took aim at Iraq, which was a state well contained and no threat to America. Look to Katrina. Or why all the best people at FEMA left when Bush put an unqualified political appointee at the helm. The list of disastrous failures of the Bush Adminsitration is endless, which is why McCain had no chance of winning - he had nothing to run on.
                            Blah Blah, more Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi liberal spewing! David were you privy to the daily intelligence breifing or the daily threat assesment. I think not. Again, your source of info, left wing liberal media
                            Originally posted by david1972
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                            We can only hope that a change of leadership, a different way of looking at our problems will and new, qualified people at the helm of various agencies will make things right.
                            When you look through socialist glasses, everything about capitalism and freedom looks bad.
                            Originally posted by david1972
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                            As to the scare of socialism, just another diversion.
                            Socialism- a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

                            Sounds like Obama's plan to spread the wealth to me.
                            The family that prays together, stays together!
                            Smile God created you and He doesn't make mistakes!

                            Relax, God IS in control!

                            Be still and know that I am God
                            Ps 46:10

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                            • david1972
                              david1972
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 23

                              #44
                              Liberlaism versus conservatism

                              Guess ya'll just don't get it. All this blather about Joe the plumber, Palin, Ayers, Acorn and what not is just a smoke screen. It's to keep your minds off the ball, keep you so wrapped up in meaningless trivia that you can't see what is really going on.

                              Talk radio is owned by purported 'conservatives' because the talking heads know how to get to you. They are master at manipulation and Limbaugh is the King. I tuned in to him today for a bit just to remind me why I don't listen to that whacko.

                              Listen. It's simple. Liberals don't own talk radio because true liberals are very cerebral. They are, in a word, boring. They don't get your pulse slamming, they don't give you your daily adrenalin rush. Most of us so-called liberals fall somewhere just to the left of center. But it is the extreme liberals that the talk jocks rail against, the ones they think all liberals want to emulate, but in truth don't.

                              People like Rush are showman. They know the only way they can keep listeners is by keeping them pissed off. Like a junkie, dittoheads need that daily head rush. They need that emotional fix. Doesn't matter that talk jocks lump all liberals into one box. Doesn't matter that they spend a lot of time demonizing and demeaning even good people, as long as it does the one thing they need it to do - piss you off. Doesn't matter they change their tune when they contradict themselves because most listeners don't keep track beyond the daily rant. I mean, did Clinton hand Bush a bad economy or not? Depends on what point they wanted to make at the time.

                              So, you want to keep your mind on the ball, pay attention to how our government has pushed policies that benefit a select few at the expense of the many, or do you want to continue wasting your time worrying about Obama's association with a former terrorist who is now a respected member of the community or how Joe the plumber self-destructed and took the McCain campaign down a notch with him?

                              You want to look at campaign irregularities, take a much closer look at what went on in the smaller counties in Florida where, surprise, majority democrats voted overwhelmingly for Bush. Funny that this only occured in counties using electronic balloting with no paper back up. But that is an old battle, just as much a red hearing as Acorn or Ayers is.

                              Keep your mind on the ball. Follow the money. All the rest is meaningless distractions. The worst thing you can do is allow self-styled conservative talk jocks keep you pissed off and off-issue. Its your mind, keep it yours.

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                              • david1972
                                david1972
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 23

                                #45
                                additional thought

                                After eight years of faulty leadership and mind-numbingly inept management, I can fully understand why the media leaned to Obama. That is quite different than a liberal bias, which, as I pointed out, does exist, but isn't the far left mouthpiece conservatives make it out to be.

                                The threat of socialism is just anothed red hearing trotted out to keep self-proclaimed conservatives fearful.

                                You want to picture what this country would be like without liberals, just recall the days of the robber barons when employees were as disposable as a broken gear. Much of what has made American great can be attributed to the give and take in Congress. Little can be done unless both parties can summon enough supporters, from both sides of the isle, to gain a super majority. That means Republicans and Democrats working together.

                                And character does matter. But all most people know of Obama's 'character' is about as on the mark as 'Mission Accomplished'.

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