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    Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense




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    James Inhofe is a perfect example of a scumbag politician. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down.

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  • copyman
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    SS and Medicare funds are being drained to pay $70,000 a year for each ILLEGAL immigrant that crosses our border! If USA can stop this invasion there will be plenty of $$$ for SS & Medicare for next 100 years! Makes me mad that I pay $1,257 per month for SINGLE coverage health insurance while illegal immigrants get medical coverage for free !!!

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      Originally posted by copyman
      SS and Medicare funds are being drained to pay $70,000 a year for each ILLEGAL immigrant that crosses our border! If USA can stop this invasion there will be plenty of $$$ for SS & Medicare for next 100 years! Makes me mad that I pay $1,257 per month for SINGLE coverage health insurance while illegal immigrants get medical coverage for free !!!

      5 immigration myths debunked

      5 immigration myths debunked



      Do Undocumented Immigrants Overuse Government Benefits?

      Do Undocumented Immigrants Overuse Government Benefits? | Econofact

      The Truth About Undocumented Immigrants and Taxes

      The Truth About Undocumented Immigrants and Taxes - The Atlantic

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      • Copier Addict
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        Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

        Originally posted by copyman
        SS and Medicare funds are being drained to pay $70,000 a year for each ILLEGAL immigrant that crosses our border! If USA can stop this invasion there will be plenty of $$$ for SS & Medicare for next 100 years! Makes me mad that I pay $1,257 per month for SINGLE coverage health insurance while illegal immigrants get medical coverage for free !!!
        I think I would be more angry about having to pay $1257 for health insurance. Sheesh, that would be half of my monthly income. Makes me even more grateful for universal healthcare.

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        • copyman
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          I didn't waste my time reading the 5 immigration myths. Don't need to read any of that rhetoric. I will rely on what I pay every month, plus proven facts that EACH illegal costs YOU and ME $70,000 per year.

          My medical coverage jumped $500 when Obama care started. This extra money was to pay for Obama care people. I don't think middle class should have to pay for Obama care. If someone can get out of bed then GET A JOB and pay your own way !!!!

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          • slimslob
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            Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

            Originally posted by monarke4
            5 immigration myths debunked

            5 immigration myths debunked



            Do Undocumented Immigrants Overuse Government Benefits?

            Do Undocumented Immigrants Overuse Government Benefits? | Econofact

            The Truth About Undocumented Immigrants and Taxes

            The Truth About Undocumented Immigrants and Taxes - The Atlantic
            Seeing that your first link is to CNN your entire lacks any credibility.

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            • emujo2
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              Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

              You're both right and wrong on this issue...Illegals get the benefits of sending their kids to schools, hospitals must provide emergency care to anyone regardless of citizenship or insurance, they use our Police, and Fire services w/o paying for these through property taxes like the rest of us. They can also fraudulently get federal and state benefits by presenting falsified documents. The clerks do not have the ability to do the checks needed to prove/disprove their paperwork, so they get approved. Those that don't work under the table pay SSI taxes, but will never be able to claim it. I'm am pro legal immigration as I'm sure I wouldn't be here if someone in my past hadn't decided that America was a better way. I 110% support any laws to prohibit/enforce illegal entry and I also would like to see the laws changed so that children, born to illegals, are not automatically US citizens. I do not support any kind of amnesty for the "who knows how many are here" now. There can be no doubt that this enormous influx of illegals, if not checked, will probably bankrupt many cities, and my tax dollars will need to be used as a bailout. Come in the legal way, find a job, pay your share and enjoy the American way of life...E

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              • Phil B.
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                Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

                Originally posted by emujo2
                You're both right and wrong on this issue...Illegals get the benefits of sending their kids to schools, hospitals must provide emergency care to anyone regardless of citizenship or insurance, they use our Police, and Fire services w/o paying for these through property taxes like the rest of us. They can also fraudulently get federal and state benefits by presenting falsified documents. The clerks do not have the ability to do the checks needed to prove/disprove their paperwork, so they get approved. Those that don't work under the table pay SSI taxes, but will never be able to claim it. I'm am pro legal immigration as I'm sure I wouldn't be here if someone in my past hadn't decided that America was a better way. I 110% support any laws to prohibit/enforce illegal entry and I also would like to see the laws changed so that children, born to illegals, are not automatically US citizens. I do not support any kind of amnesty for the "who knows how many are here" now. There can be no doubt that this enormous influx of illegals, if not checked, will probably bankrupt many cities, and my tax dollars will need to be used as a bailout. Come in the legal way, find a job, pay your share and enjoy the American way of life...E
                oo many believe that the ILLEGALS don't get government support.. that is TOTAL BS.. I repaired machines in ALL sorts of government buildings...talk to employees.. and they confirm what we say.
                IF you really want to find out about this CRAP go to a local " Consoule Du Mexico " illegals PAYING to get "document proof" of their 'birth' ( 90% it BS faked info) families pay upwards of 1k for 4 in the family to get their 'papers'
                something has to be done.. no to: chain migration - anchor babies ( only country in the world?) - lottery - amnesty. WE OWE ILLEGALS NOTHING... esp when they come here chanting AGAINST US... carrying flags from the country they left... they can forget about their 50k per "caravan member"
                Come here the right way.. I will support your right TO BE HERE.. not to support you.
                Identification
                Even before the 1920s, when the United States determined which immigrants could legally enter and live in this country by implementing a quota system, there was a preferential treatment given to more affluent immigrants. While passengers whose ticket was for "steerage" or third-class travel had to face a series of entrance requirements that lasted between two and five hours, no such admission tests were given to first- or second-class passengers. Unless these passengers showed evidence of a contagious disease, they were given quick entry to New York City.
                Significance
                Two agencies conducted the inspections and set the requirements for immigrants at Ellis Island. The United States Public Health Service conducted a medical inspection. Then, the Bureau of Immigration made a legal inspection. Together, the two inspections could take up to five hours. Then the immigrant would either be admitted to New York City, interned as an "alien radical" or deported.
                Function
                Immigrants had to pass the medical inspection before being admitted to the country. It started with a trip up three flights of stairs. This would reveal whether the immigrant suffered from any physical disability, lameness, shortness of breath or obvious heart condition. It was followed by what became known as the "six-second physical." Not only did the doctor-inspections want to prevent people who had infectious diseases from entering the country, they also looked for evidence of chronic illness, mental illness and trachoma.
                Considerations
                Immigrants at Ellis Island also had to pass a legal inspection, which was done by means of a series of 29 que stions. Because many of the immigrants did not speak English, the questions were translated into 39 languages. The immigrants were required to answer questions about their name, gender, marital status, occupation, literacy, race and health. They were asked if they had ever been to prison, were polygamists or had ever participated in anarchist activity.

                Effects
                Immigrants who entered the United States at Ellis Island were not permitted to remain in the country if they had a contagious disease such as smallpox, yellow fever or the measles. If they were deemed likely to end up needing to receive welfare or otherwise seemed unable to provide for themselves, they would be refused admission. Finally, if they were assessed as likely to become an illegal contract laborer, they would be refused entry. People who seemed to be "alien radicals" were interned. The records of many of the immigrants who entered the country at Ellis Island have become part of its archive. The island is a significant tourist destination


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                • slimslob
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                  Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

                  Originally posted by emujo2
                  You're both right and wrong on this issue...Illegals get the benefits of sending their kids to schools, hospitals must provide emergency care to anyone regardless of citizenship or insurance, they use our Police, and Fire services w/o paying for these through property taxes like the rest of us. They can also fraudulently get federal and state benefits by presenting falsified documents. The clerks do not have the ability to do the checks needed to prove/disprove their paperwork, so they get approved. Those that don't work under the table pay SSI taxes, but will never be able to claim it. I'm am pro legal immigration as I'm sure I wouldn't be here if someone in my past hadn't decided that America was a better way. I 110% support any laws to prohibit/enforce illegal entry and I also would like to see the laws changed so that children, born to illegals, are not automatically US citizens. I do not support any kind of amnesty for the "who knows how many are here" now. There can be no doubt that this enormous influx of illegals, if not checked, will probably bankrupt many cities, and my tax dollars will need to be used as a bailout. Come in the legal way, find a job, pay your share and enjoy the American way of life...E
                  Apparently you do not live in California.

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                  • slimslob
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                    Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

                    Originally posted by Phil B.
                    oo many believe that the ILLEGALS don't get government support.. that is TOTAL BS.. I repaired machines in ALL sorts of government buildings...talk to employees.. and they confirm what we say.
                    IF you really want to find out about this CRAP go to a local " Consoule Du Mexico " illegals PAYING to get "document proof" of their 'birth' ( 90% it BS faked info) families pay upwards of 1k for 4 in the family to get their 'papers'
                    something has to be done.. no to: chain migration - anchor babies ( only country in the world?) - lottery - amnesty. WE OWE ILLEGALS NOTHING... esp when they come here chanting AGAINST US... carrying flags from the country they left... they can forget about their 50k per "caravan member"
                    Come here the right way.. I will support your right TO BE HERE.. not to support you.
                    Identification
                    Even before the 1920s, when the United States determined which immigrants could legally enter and live in this country by implementing a quota system, there was a preferential treatment given to more affluent immigrants. While passengers whose ticket was for "steerage" or third-class travel had to face a series of entrance requirements that lasted between two and five hours, no such admission tests were given to first- or second-class passengers. Unless these passengers showed evidence of a contagious disease, they were given quick entry to New York City.
                    Significance
                    Two agencies conducted the inspections and set the requirements for immigrants at Ellis Island. The United States Public Health Service conducted a medical inspection. Then, the Bureau of Immigration made a legal inspection. Together, the two inspections could take up to five hours. Then the immigrant would either be admitted to New York City, interned as an "alien radical" or deported.
                    Function
                    Immigrants had to pass the medical inspection before being admitted to the country. It started with a trip up three flights of stairs. This would reveal whether the immigrant suffered from any physical disability, lameness, shortness of breath or obvious heart condition. It was followed by what became known as the "six-second physical." Not only did the doctor-inspections want to prevent people who had infectious diseases from entering the country, they also looked for evidence of chronic illness, mental illness and trachoma.
                    Considerations
                    Immigrants at Ellis Island also had to pass a legal inspection, which was done by means of a series of 29 que stions. Because many of the immigrants did not speak English, the questions were translated into 39 languages. The immigrants were required to answer questions about their name, gender, marital status, occupation, literacy, race and health. They were asked if they had ever been to prison, were polygamists or had ever participated in anarchist activity.

                    Effects
                    Immigrants who entered the United States at Ellis Island were not permitted to remain in the country if they had a contagious disease such as smallpox, yellow fever or the measles. If they were deemed likely to end up needing to receive welfare or otherwise seemed unable to provide for themselves, they would be refused admission. Finally, if they were assessed as likely to become an illegal contract laborer, they would be refused entry. People who seemed to be "alien radicals" were interned. The records of many of the immigrants who entered the country at Ellis Island have become part of its archive. The island is a significant tourist destination



                    AMENDMENT XIV

                    Section 1.
                    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

                    Unless and until they subject themselves to the laws and culture of the US, they remain subject to deportation.

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                    • bsm2
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                      Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

                      Crapp olaaa thread total bs

                      duped again
                      Myth # 1: They don't pay taxes


                      Undocumented immigrants are already U.S. taxpayers.


                      Collectively, they paid an estimated $10.6 billion to state and local taxes in 2010, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a research organization that works on tax policy issues. Contributions varied by state. In Montana they contributed $2 million. In California, more than $2.2 billion. On average they pay about 6.4% of their income in state and local taxes, ITEP said.


                      A 2007 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report on the impact of undocumented immigrants on the budgets of local and state governments cited IRS figures showing that 50% to 75% of the about 11 million unauthorized U.S. immigrants file and pay income taxes each year.


                      A 2013 CBO analysis of the failed bipartisan bill introduced by the so-called "gang of 8" that would have created a path to legal status for many undocumented immigrants found that increasing legal immigration would increase government spending on refundable tax credits, Medicaid and health insurance subsidies, among other federal benefits. But it would also create even more tax revenue by way of income and payroll taxes. That could reduce deficits by $175 billion over the first 10 years and by at least $700 billion in the second decade.


                      ITEP estimates that allowing certain immigrants to stay in the country and work legally would boost state and local tax contributions by $2 billion a year.


                      Related: America's most dangerous jobs.


                      Myth # 2: They don't pay into Social Security


                      The truth is that undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits.


                      Take Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), unauthorized immigrants -- who are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits -- have paid an eye-popping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade.


                      "They are paying an estimated $15 billion a year into Social Security with no intention of ever collecting benefits," Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the SSA told CNNMoney. "Without the estimated 3.1 million undocumented immigrants paying into the system, Social Security would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover payouts starting in 2009," he said.


                      As the baby boom generation ages and retires, immigrant workers are key to shoring up Social Security and counteracting the effects of the decline in U.S.-born workers paying into the system, Goss said.


                      Without immigrants, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects that the system will no longer be able to pay the full promised benefits by 2037.


                      Myth #3: They drain the system


                      Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.


                      Related: Part-time jobs put millions in poverty or close to it.


                      Non-citizen immigrant adults and children are about 25% less likely to be signed up for Medicaid than their poor native-born equivalents and are also 37% less likely to receive food stamps, according to a 2013 study by the Cato Institute.


                      Citizen children of illegal immigrants -- often derogatorily referred to as "anchor babies" -- do qualify for social benefits. Also, undocumented immigrants are eligible for schooling and emergency medical care. Currently, the average unlawful immigrant household costs taxpayers $14,387 per household, according to a recent report by The Heritage Foundation. But in its 2013 "Immigration Myths and Facts" report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers.


                      A CBO report on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 concluded that a path to legalization for immigrants would increase federal revenues by $48 billion. Such a plan would see $23 billion in increased costs from the use of public services, but ultimately, it would produce a surplus of $25 billion for government coffers, CBO said.


                      Myth # 4: They take American jobs


                      The American economy needs immigrant workers.


                      The belief that immigrants take jobs that can otherwise be filled by hard-working Americans has been disputed by an overwhelming number of economic research studies and data.


                      Related: Four immigration fixes that could turbo-charge tech.


                      Removing the approximately 8 million unauthorized workers in the United States would not automatically create 8 million job openings for unemployed Americans, said Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, in his 2011 testimony before the House Judiciary Sub-committee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement.


                      The reason, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, is two-fold. For one, removing millions of undocumented workers from the economy would also remove millions of entrepreneurs, consumers and taxpayers. The economy would actually lose jobs. Second, native-born workers and immigrant workers tend to possess different skills that often complement one another.


                      According to Griswold, immigrants, regardless of status, fill the growing gap between expanding low-skilled jobs and the shrinking pool of native-born Americans who are willing to take such jobs. By facilitating the growth of such sectors as retail, agriculture, landscaping, restaurants, and hotels, low-skilled immigrants have enabled those sectors to expand, attract investment, and create middle-class jobs in management, design and engineering, bookkeeping, marketing and other areas that employ U.S. citizens.


                      America's unions support the president's executive action. "For far too long, our broken immigration system has allowed employers to drive down wages and working conditions in our country," the AFL-CIO says on its website. "The brunt of the impact has been born by immigrant workers, who face the highest rates of wage theft, sexual harassment, and death and injury on the job."


                      Myth # 5: It's just a matter of following the law


                      Many Americans want immigrants to enter the country legally.


                      But under current immigration laws, there are very few options for legal immigration, the costs are increasingly prohibitive and the wait for any kind of status can be long and frustrating.


                      Related: I created 7 jobs and the US tried to deport me.


                      According to the State Department, that imaginary "immigration line" is already 4.4 million people long and depending on the type of visa sought and the country of origin, the wait can be years to decades long. In some countries, such as the Philippines and Mexico people have been waiting over 20 years for approval of a family-sponsored visa.


                      Immigrants can legally get to the U.S by being sponsored by an employer or a family member, they can enter the country as refugees, or they could receive one of the selectively distributed professional or diversity visas. The Diversity Visa Program makes 55,000 green cards available to persons from countries with low rates of immigration to the U.S.


                      According to the State Department, the fees to obtain permanent U.S. visas can range from $200 to over $700, excluding legal fees. Plus, there are visa quotas which limits immigration from any given country.


                      In many poor, violence-ridden countries, or in cases where parents are separated from their children, immigrants say the wait is unbearable, leaving many to resort to illegal border crossing.


                      That journey can be expensive and deadly.


                      Smugglers charge anywhere from $3000 to upwards of $70,000 depending on country of origin, mode of transport and distance travelled according to the Mexican Migration Project, a multidisciplinary research effort between investigators in Mexico and the U.S.


                      Many don't make it. According to federal records, more than 6,000 immigrants have died crossing the southern border since 1998

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                      • monarke4
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                        Did anyone actually watch the video where Republican Senator James Inhofe said they should TAKE money from "Entitlement" programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid) etc. and put into the US Defense Fund?

                        @3:29 "Our number one priority should be defense." To be upped to 750 Billion A Year.

                        @5:51 James Inhofe is asked "how do we increase our defense spending to the correct level without
                        adding to that debt".

                        Inhofe answers:

                        "There is only one way to address that, is ENTITLEMENT reform. I would be very supportive of entitlement reform. There are programs people are talking about, and uh, but that's where the MONEY is. That's were the savings is. First of all re-prioritize where defense is, where it has been historically in this country. And secondly and just flat exempt the defense spending from the budget caps. Until we get this corrected. And the only way to correct is, the best way to correct it is to go after ENTITLEMENT reform, and I'm one who will support that."

                        In other words STEAL from Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc. to give it to the Defense Contractors for more endless war.

                        What was it Dwight D Eisenhower said about this?

                        "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."

                        Eisenhower's Military-Industry Complex Warning, 50 Years Later : NPR

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                        • bsm2
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                          Originally posted by monarke4
                          Did anyone actually watch the video where Republican Senator James Inhofe said they should TAKE money from "Entitlement" programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid) etc. and put into the US Defense Fund?

                          @3:29 "Our number one priority should be defense." To be upped to 750 Billion A Year.

                          @5:51 James Inhofe is asked "how do we increase our defense spending to the correct level without
                          adding to that debt".

                          Inhofe answers:

                          "There is only one way to address that, is ENTITLEMENT reform. I would be very supportive of entitlement reform. There are programs people are talking about, and uh, but that's where the MONEY is. That's were the savings is. First of all re-prioritize where defense is, where it has been historically in this country. And secondly and just flat exempt the defense spending from the budget caps. Until we get this corrected. And the only way to correct is, the best way to correct it is to go after ENTITLEMENT reform, and I'm one who will support that."

                          In other words STEAL from Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc. to give it to the Defense Contractors for more endless war.

                          What was it Dwight D Eisenhower said about this?

                          "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."

                          Eisenhower's Military-Industry Complex Warning, 50 Years Later : NPR

                          Great STEAL from kids and seniors after giving away 1.5 TRILLION in TAX CUTS to the RICH! DUPED AGAIN GUESS WHO pay's for it? YEP YOU.
                          Last edited by bsm2; 12-15-2018, 01:38 PM.

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                          • Geo
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                            Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

                            Originally posted by bsm2
                            Crapp olaaa thread total bs

                            duped again
                            Myth # 1: They don't pay taxes


                            Undocumented immigrants are already U.S. taxpayers.


                            Collectively, they paid an estimated $10.6 billion to state and local taxes in 2010, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a research organization that works on tax policy issues. Contributions varied by state. In Montana they contributed $2 million. In California, more than $2.2 billion. On average they pay about 6.4% of their income in state and local taxes, ITEP said.


                            A 2007 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report on the impact of undocumented immigrants on the budgets of local and state governments cited IRS figures showing that 50% to 75% of the about 11 million unauthorized U.S. immigrants file and pay income taxes each year.


                            A 2013 CBO analysis of the failed bipartisan bill introduced by the so-called "gang of 8" that would have created a path to legal status for many undocumented immigrants found that increasing legal immigration would increase government spending on refundable tax credits, Medicaid and health insurance subsidies, among other federal benefits. But it would also create even more tax revenue by way of income and payroll taxes. That could reduce deficits by $175 billion over the first 10 years and by at least $700 billion in the second decade.


                            ITEP estimates that allowing certain immigrants to stay in the country and work legally would boost state and local tax contributions by $2 billion a year.


                            Related: America's most dangerous jobs.


                            Myth # 2: They don't pay into Social Security


                            The truth is that undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits.


                            Take Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), unauthorized immigrants -- who are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits -- have paid an eye-popping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade.


                            "They are paying an estimated $15 billion a year into Social Security with no intention of ever collecting benefits," Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the SSA told CNNMoney. "Without the estimated 3.1 million undocumented immigrants paying into the system, Social Security would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover payouts starting in 2009," he said.


                            As the baby boom generation ages and retires, immigrant workers are key to shoring up Social Security and counteracting the effects of the decline in U.S.-born workers paying into the system, Goss said.


                            Without immigrants, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects that the system will no longer be able to pay the full promised benefits by 2037.


                            Myth #3: They drain the system


                            Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.


                            Related: Part-time jobs put millions in poverty or close to it.


                            Non-citizen immigrant adults and children are about 25% less likely to be signed up for Medicaid than their poor native-born equivalents and are also 37% less likely to receive food stamps, according to a 2013 study by the Cato Institute.


                            Citizen children of illegal immigrants -- often derogatorily referred to as "anchor babies" -- do qualify for social benefits. Also, undocumented immigrants are eligible for schooling and emergency medical care. Currently, the average unlawful immigrant household costs taxpayers $14,387 per household, according to a recent report by The Heritage Foundation. But in its 2013 "Immigration Myths and Facts" report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers.


                            A CBO report on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 concluded that a path to legalization for immigrants would increase federal revenues by $48 billion. Such a plan would see $23 billion in increased costs from the use of public services, but ultimately, it would produce a surplus of $25 billion for government coffers, CBO said.


                            Myth # 4: They take American jobs


                            The American economy needs immigrant workers.


                            The belief that immigrants take jobs that can otherwise be filled by hard-working Americans has been disputed by an overwhelming number of economic research studies and data.


                            Related: Four immigration fixes that could turbo-charge tech.


                            Removing the approximately 8 million unauthorized workers in the United States would not automatically create 8 million job openings for unemployed Americans, said Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, in his 2011 testimony before the House Judiciary Sub-committee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement.


                            The reason, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, is two-fold. For one, removing millions of undocumented workers from the economy would also remove millions of entrepreneurs, consumers and taxpayers. The economy would actually lose jobs. Second, native-born workers and immigrant workers tend to possess different skills that often complement one another.


                            According to Griswold, immigrants, regardless of status, fill the growing gap between expanding low-skilled jobs and the shrinking pool of native-born Americans who are willing to take such jobs. By facilitating the growth of such sectors as retail, agriculture, landscaping, restaurants, and hotels, low-skilled immigrants have enabled those sectors to expand, attract investment, and create middle-class jobs in management, design and engineering, bookkeeping, marketing and other areas that employ U.S. citizens.


                            America's unions support the president's executive action. "For far too long, our broken immigration system has allowed employers to drive down wages and working conditions in our country," the AFL-CIO says on its website. "The brunt of the impact has been born by immigrant workers, who face the highest rates of wage theft, sexual harassment, and death and injury on the job."


                            Myth # 5: It's just a matter of following the law


                            Many Americans want immigrants to enter the country legally.


                            But under current immigration laws, there are very few options for legal immigration, the costs are increasingly prohibitive and the wait for any kind of status can be long and frustrating.


                            Related: I created 7 jobs and the US tried to deport me.


                            According to the State Department, that imaginary "immigration line" is already 4.4 million people long and depending on the type of visa sought and the country of origin, the wait can be years to decades long. In some countries, such as the Philippines and Mexico people have been waiting over 20 years for approval of a family-sponsored visa.


                            Immigrants can legally get to the U.S by being sponsored by an employer or a family member, they can enter the country as refugees, or they could receive one of the selectively distributed professional or diversity visas. The Diversity Visa Program makes 55,000 green cards available to persons from countries with low rates of immigration to the U.S.


                            According to the State Department, the fees to obtain permanent U.S. visas can range from $200 to over $700, excluding legal fees. Plus, there are visa quotas which limits immigration from any given country.


                            In many poor, violence-ridden countries, or in cases where parents are separated from their children, immigrants say the wait is unbearable, leaving many to resort to illegal border crossing.


                            That journey can be expensive and deadly.


                            Smugglers charge anywhere from $3000 to upwards of $70,000 depending on country of origin, mode of transport and distance travelled according to the Mexican Migration Project, a multidisciplinary research effort between investigators in Mexico and the U.S.


                            Many don't make it. According to federal records, more than 6,000 immigrants have died crossing the southern border since 1998
                            Funny...So why do multiple sources peg the actual costs to american taxpayers 100 to 300 Billion dollars per year....?

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                            • bsm2
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                              Re: Robbing Social Security and Medicare to Fund US Defense

                              Originally posted by Geo
                              Funny...So why do multiple sources peg the actual costs to american taxpayers 100 to 300 Billion dollars per year....?
                              HA HA HA HA Sources FAKE FOX NEWS and WHO?

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