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  • slimslob
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    Re: Do you trust the media?

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    • copiertec
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      What are you thoughts on John Catsimatidis comments on the earth having basically infinite oil because it is naturally produced by the earth?

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      • SalesServiceGuy
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        Originally posted by copiertec
        What are you thoughts on John Catsimatidis comments on the earth having basically infinite oil because it is naturally produced by the earth?

        Brighteon
        I never heard of Brighteon nor John Catsimatidis before. I did a Google search and he is both an American billionaire and runs the Manhattan Republican party. He has donated to both the Republican and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

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        ... John Catsimatidis does own an oil company and his claim that the earth naturally produces oil is obviously true but I could not find any claim that it takes less than 1,000 years to naturally produce a barrel of oil. Most claims are far longer.

        His claim that President Biden can help to bring down the cost of oil by opening the Arctic Preserve area to both surface and undersea oil drilling is a non starter due to real fears of permanently damaging this delicate environment. The oil industry removes oil far faster from the planet than it can be naturally produced.

        His claim that opening up the Keystone pipeline is nonsensical. It is already open. The proposed Keystone XL pipeline is not an oil reserve it is just a pipeline to carry existing Canadian oil to US refineries. As there have been no new increase in American oil refining capability in many years and the refineries are operating at full capacity there is no where for that oil to go.

        Claiming that when President Biden came into office oil was at $55.00 per barrel and is now at $100.00 per barrel conveniently forgets that the price of oil was so low then was because the effects of COVID at the time dramatically reduced demand.

        Finally, unless the nations of the world very quickly find a way to reduce it's dependence on fossil fuels and the resulting greenhouse gases that causes the earth to warm to dangerous levels, irrevocable planetary damage will soon follow, as can be seen by the natural disasters that often effect the USA.

        Last edited by SalesServiceGuy; 04-11-2022, 02:10 AM.

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        • copiertec
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          Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
          I never heard of Brighteon nor John Catsimatidis before. I did a Google search and he is both an American billionaire and runs the Manhattan Republican party. He has donated to both the Republican and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

          Brighteon







          • We rate Brighteon a right-biased Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy website that also publishes pseudoscience. This source is associated with Natural News, one of the most discredited sources on the internet.

          Bias Rating: FAR RIGHT CONSPIRACY-PSEUSDOSCIENCE
          Factual Reporting: VERY-LOW
          Country: USA
          Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
          Media Type: Website
          Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
          MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

          ... John Catsimatidis does own an oil company and his claim that the earth naturally produces oil is obviously true but I could not find any claim that it takes less than 1,000 years to naturally produce a barrel of oil. Most claims are far longer.

          His claim that President Biden can help to bring down the cost of oil by opening the Arctic Preserve area to both surface and undersea oil drilling is a non starter due to real fears of permanently damaging this delicate environment. The oil industry removes oil far faster from the planet than it ca be naturally produced.

          His claim that opening up the Keystone pipeline is nonsensical. It is already open. The proposed Keystone XL pipeline is not an oil reserve it is just a pipeline to carry existing Canadian oil to US refineries. As there have been no new increase in American oil refining capability in many years and the refineries are operating at full capacity there is no where for that oil to go.

          Claiming that when President Biden came into office oil was at $55.00 per barrel and is now at $100.00 per barrel conveniently forgets that the price of oil was so low then was because the effects of COVID at the time dramatically reduced demand.

          Finally, unless the nations of the world very quickly find a way to reduce it's dependence on fossil fuels and the resulting greenhouse gases that causes the earth to warm to dangerous levels irrevocable planetary damage will soon follow, as can be seen by the natural disasters that often effect the USA.

          I never heard of Brighteon either, I do not even know who they are, but they did have John's comments that he made on the Fox business channel along with other sources. I thought it was an interesting comment he made about the oil being naturally produced by the Earth it self. I heard this same theory years ago and found it to be interesting and am wondering why he would say that as we all have been taught that it is a fossil fuel that is a limited resource.
          As far as reducing our dependence on oil our power grid is sketchy enough as is and antiquated, I could only imagine how bad the blackouts would be if we all plugged our electric vehicles in to charge them. Also, the environmental damage caused by all the mining for more lithium for batteries, is irrevocable damage that uses billions of gallons of water to extract. I'm not sure if your familiar with the Nickle mines, they are now giant pits that are filled with toxic water plus all the other environmental impacts it has caused that is not good at all for the environment. Let's not forget that we are plugging into a coal powered grid to charge all these electric vehicles and what happens to the batteries when need to be replaced? What is involved with battery recycling? That is a whole dilemma in itself. Science | AAAS
          Cars Are Going Electric. What Happens to the Used Batteries? | WIRED
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          • slimslob
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            Originally posted by copiertec
            I never heard of Brighteon either, I do not even know who they are, but they did have John's comments that he made on the Fox business channel along with other sources. I thought it was an interesting comment he made about the oil being naturally produced by the Earth it self. I heard this same theory years ago and found it to be interesting and am wondering why he would say that as we all have been taught that it is a fossil fuel that is a limited resource.
            As far as reducing our dependence on oil our power grid is sketchy enough as is and antiquated, I could only imagine how bad the blackouts would be if we all plugged our electric vehicles in to charge them. Also, the environmental damage caused by all the mining for more lithium for batteries, is irrevocable damage that uses billions of gallons of water to extract. I'm not sure if your familiar with the Nickle mines, they are now giant pits that are filled with toxic water plus all the other environmental impacts it has caused that is not good at all for the environment. Let's not forget that we are plugging into a coal powered grid to charge all these electric vehicles and what happens to the batteries when need to be replaced? What is involved with battery recycling? That is a whole dilemma in itself. Science | AAAS
            Cars Are Going Electric. What Happens to the Used Batteries? | WIRED
            nickle pits eviremental hazzard - Google Search
            Many seem to think that because some of the best early dinosaur fossils were found in the La Brea tar pits that. The problem is that the fossils are there because the dinosaurs got stuck in the tar pits that were already there.

            Another interesting fact is that natural gas in constantly being created in land fills from the fermentation on bio matter, mostly plants matter. And then there is bio diesel.

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            • SalesServiceGuy
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              Originally posted by copiertec
              I never heard of Brighteon either, I do not even know who they are, but they did have John's comments that he made on the Fox business channel along with other sources. I thought it was an interesting comment he made about the oil being naturally produced by the Earth it self. I heard this same theory years ago and found it to be interesting and am wondering why he would say that as we all have been taught that it is a fossil fuel that is a limited resource.
              As far as reducing our dependence on oil our power grid is sketchy enough as is and antiquated, I could only imagine how bad the blackouts would be if we all plugged our electric vehicles in to charge them. Also, the environmental damage caused by all the mining for more lithium for batteries, is irrevocable damage that uses billions of gallons of water to extract. I'm not sure if your familiar with the Nickle mines, they are now giant pits that are filled with toxic water plus all the other environmental impacts it has caused that is not good at all for the environment. Let's not forget that we are plugging into a coal powered grid to charge all these electric vehicles and what happens to the batteries when need to be replaced? What is involved with battery recycling? That is a whole dilemma in itself. Science | AAAS
              Cars Are Going Electric. What Happens to the Used Batteries? | WIRED
              nickle pits eviremental hazzard - Google Search
              ... Brighteon is a very sketchy provider of political news.

              ... today, not all energy sources are fossil fuels, as gov'ts around the world race to develop renewable energy sources.

              ... I am confident that what few electric car batteries that are removed from end of life electric vehicles, a high % of electric car batteries are quickly recycled as they hold significant value.

              ... no doubt lithium mines have a significant negative environmental impact. Do you have a better answer? If you do and can bring it to market, congratulations! You just became a billionaire!

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                Has anyone ever noticed that the only news organizations that SSG fact checks are conservative ones?
                Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                • slimslob
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                  Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                  Has anyone ever noticed that the only news organizations that SSG fact checks are conservative ones?
                  That is because they tend to tell the truth and he hates the truth.

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                  • copiertec
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                    Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                    ... Brighteon is a very sketchy provider of political news.

                    ... today, not all energy sources are fossil fuels, as gov'ts around the world race to develop renewable energy sources.

                    ... I am confident that what few electric car batteries that are removed from end of life electric vehicles, a high % of electric car batteries are quickly recycled as they hold significant value.

                    ... no doubt lithium mines have a significant negative environmental impact. Do you have a better answer? If you do and can bring it to market, congratulations! You just became a billionaire!
                    I still would like to know if what John has said has any truth to it, IS OIL NATRUALLY PRODUCED BY THE EARTH? If that is the case we have been lied to.
                    I understand that the batteries are recycled as all batteries should be, however, how many batteries are just thrown out to land up in a landfill and leak all kinds of poison's into the surrounding area? The same can go for used oil as well, how many people just dump oil instead of recycling it?
                    There will always be downsides to any form of energy that is used, regardless of whether or not it reduces greenhouse gases or not what are the environmental impacts of alternative technologies and their costs associated?

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                    • SalesServiceGuy
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                      Originally posted by copiertec
                      I still would like to know if what John has said has any truth to it, IS OIL NATRUALLY PRODUCED BY THE EARTH? If that is the case we have been lied to.
                      I understand that the batteries are recycled as all batteries should be, however, how many batteries are just thrown out to land up in a landfill and leak all kinds of poison's into the surrounding area? The same can go for used oil as well, how many people just dump oil instead of recycling it?
                      There will always be downsides to any form of energy that is used, regardless of whether or not it reduces greenhouse gases or not what are the environmental impacts of alternative technologies and their costs associated?

                      ... if you want to twist the obvious into a lie, that is your choice. The earth naturally produces oil from dead organic matter over many centuries. How do you think it got there in the first place? The point is this process will never take place in any one or multiple generations of people.

                      I think as a % of the population, very few people dump oil onto the ground.

                      Any downsides to any form of environmental remediation can be mitigated when the proper controls are in place.
                      Last edited by SalesServiceGuy; 04-11-2022, 01:42 PM.

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                      • SalesServiceGuy
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                        LOL: Hannity Claims He Warned His Audience About Ivermectin

                        LOL: Hannity Claims He Warned His Audience About Ivermectin - YouTube


                        ... Fox News opinion host Sean Hannity, in a glaring reversal of position, now claims that he never endorsed Ivermectin as an effective COVID treatment.

                        The entire Fox News media machine has now suddenly dropped their coverage of this drug as study after study concludes that Ivermectin is ineffective against COVID.

                        Many viewers who watched Fox News and who listened to the ex President believed what they were being told about Ivermectin was true. They have all been duped including many here on CTN who refused to listen to medical science.

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                        • FrohnB
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                            • Phil B.
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                              Joe doesn't trust them, but he's thankful for their efforts.

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                              • SalesServiceGuy
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                                New text messages reveal Fox’s Hannity advising Trump White House and seeking direction

                                Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Fox’s Sean Hannity exchanged more than 80 text messages between Election Day 2020 and Joe Biden’s January 2021 inauguration, communications that show Hannity’s evolution from staunch supporter of former President Donald Trump’s election lies to being “fed up” with the “lunatics” hurting Trump’s cause in the days before January 6.

                                Mark Meadows selectively provided 2,319 text messages, in December to the House committee investigating the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. While the logs show Meadows communicating with multiple Fox personalities, as well as a number of journalists from other organizations, Hannity stands out with 82 messages. The texts, including dozens of newly disclosed messages, offer a real-time window into how Hannity, a close friend of Trump, was reacting to the election and its aftermath.

                                Throughout the logs, Hannity both gives advice and asks for direction, blurring the lines between his Fox show, his radio show and the Trump White House.

                                The texts also show the two men debating Trump’s strategy to challenge the election, complaining about Fox, and plotting about what to do after Trump left office – including possibly working together.

                                “You also need to spend at least half your time doing business with us,” Hannity texted Meadows on December 12. “And I’m serious. Did u ever talk to Fox. I’ve been at war with them.”

                                “I agree. We can make a powerful team,” Meadows responded. “I did not talk with (Fox News CEO) Suzanne (Scott) because I got tied up with pardons but I will make sure I connect. You are a true patriot and I am so very proud of you! Your friendship means a great deal to me.”

                                “Feeling is mutual,” Hannity wrote back.

                                Feeding the fraud conspiracies

                                Initially after the November 2020 election, Hannity appeared to be all in with Trump’s false election claims. On November 29, he texted Meadows saying he had his team trying to prove election fraud: “I’ve had my team digging into the numbers. There is no way Biden got these numbers. Just mathematically impossible. It’s so sad for this country they can pull this off in 2020. We need a major breakthrough, a video, something.”

                                But several weeks later, as Trump’s team lost court challenges and the wild claims from attorneys Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell failed to materialize into anything more than false conspiracy theories, Hannity’s tone shifted.

                                By New Year’s Eve, Hannity warned about the fallout if top White House lawyers resigned in protest. Hannity also appeared to accept the fact that the election was over and the President’s best course of action was to go to Florida and engage Biden from there.

                                Hannity’s text messages to Meadows are of interest to the House select committee, which wrote to Hannity in January requesting an interview. That month, the panel released some of Hannity’s texts to Meadows showing his concern about what would happen on January 6, 2021.

                                The texts provide evidence of what many White House and Fox sources claimed during Trump’s time in office: That Hannity acted as a “shadow chief of staff” while also juggling radio and TV shows. Trump would frequently call into Hannity’s show – and Hannity appeared on stage with the President during his final 2018 campaign rally.

                                Hannity has said he is not a journalist, and Fox does not hold him to traditional journalistic standards. He is more akin to a GOP activist and entertainer, like some of his fellow Fox hosts. In addition to Hannity, Fox’s Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Maria Bartiromo and Brian Kilmeade all sent messages to Meadows as well.

                                In November and early December, Hannity’s show often amplified Trump’s election lies. Guests including then-White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany made near-nightly appearances to sow doubt about the election results and stoke support for doomed legal challenges.

                                ... you have to make your own decisions about what is true and what the media is telling you. Some media sources like Fox News have a clear agenda to support and to keep alive the "Big Lie".

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