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  • Copier Addict
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    Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
    One last abortion clinic to shut down and then we need to trun our attention to the rest of the country. Abortion must be outlawed.












    Last week, the scene was more or less normal: The women seeking care would slowly turn into the parking lot, careful not to hit the protesters camped at the entrance who held signs preaching eternal damnation. Volunteers in rainbow-patterned vests ushered the women inside. Pop music blared from speakers to drown out the protesters, many of whom bring their own amplifiers.












    After U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves, no relation to Gov. Reeves, overturned the 15- week ban in 2018, his ruling was upheld by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in 2019. While waiting to see if the Supreme Court was going to take up the case, activists like Laurie Bertram Roberts, co-founder and executive director of the Mississippi Reproductive Fund, braced for the fallout.






    Beginning in 1991,
    That year, lawmakers required two appointments, with a 24-hour waiting period in between an initial counseling session and the procedure itself. In 1996, state law mandated women be given pamphlets with medical risks associated with abortion, including information that has been proven inaccurate. Structural requirements were also imposed on clinics in 1996, requiring that hallways be a certain width, ostensibly to accommodate a gurney. In 2007, the legislature passed a bill requiring minors to have a waiver from their parents. The bill also stated women must be given a copy of a sonogram or listen to a fetal heartbeat. In 2012, they tried to force doctors to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals


















    And what's next Billy, taking away women's right to vote?

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    • SalesServiceGuy
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      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
      One last abortion clinic to shut down and then we need to trun our attention to the rest of the country. Abortion must be outlawed.




      Can Mississippi’s Last Abortion Clinic Survive?
      The Supreme Court’s decision on a law banning abortions after 15 weeks could have major consequences for the mostly poor Black women who come to the ‘Pink House.’





      JACKSON, Miss. — Long before the funky restaurants and shops began to turn Fondren into Jackson’s trendiest district, the neighborhood’s landmark institution was a bright pink building, surrounded by a concrete and iron wall, 8 feet tall at its peak, that is Mississippi’s last abortion clinic.

      Last week, the scene was more or less normal: The women seeking care would slowly turn into the parking lot, careful not to hit the protesters camped at the entrance who held signs preaching eternal damnation. Volunteers in rainbow-patterned vests ushered the women inside. Pop music blared from speakers to drown out the protesters, many of whom bring their own amplifiers.

      The U.S. Supreme Court announced it would review the case known as Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which is the formal name of the “Pink House.” The case concerns Mississippi’s 2018 ban on all abortions after 15 weeks of gestation. The law was blocked on appeal as an unconstitutional violation of Roe v. Wade; the landmark decision that afforded women the right to an abortion prior to viability, which is considered 24 weeks. The possibility that the newly conservative Supreme Court would take up a case that could challenge a standard that had stood since 1973, possibly replacing one landmark case for another, was cause for celebration among the state’s mostly male and mostly white lawmakers who have vowed to make Mississippi, in the words of a former governor, “the safest place in America for an unborn child.”








      “Obviously the court has changed over the last four years, but that’s not why the case is being heard. I think the case is being heard because the science has changed over the last 50 years when Roe was initially decided,” Gov. Tate Reeves said, referring to his belief that medicine has lowered the viability threshold. “For us to have the opportunity to present our argument and present the facts with respect to the improvements in technology and improvements in the science is just a very important step.”

      The mood among those who have struggled to hold the line on abortion rights ranged from resigned acceptance to anger. They have watched for decades as Mississippi lawmakers have passed law after law that has whittled the number of abortion providers to a single outpost in the state’s majority Black capital city.

      After U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves, no relation to Gov. Reeves, overturned the 15- week ban in 2018, his ruling was upheld by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in 2019. While waiting to see if the Supreme Court was going to take up the case, activists like Laurie Bertram Roberts, co-founder and executive director of the Mississippi Reproductive Fund, braced for the fallout.

      “When they kept kicking it down the road, we were all like, ‘Yeah, this shit’s coming,’” Bertram Roberts said.
      The question now is whether this case, brought by the state’s chief health officer Thomas Dobbs, will result in overturning Roe, which would automatically enforce Mississippi’s “trigger law” banning abortion in the first and second trimester. Five contiguous states in the South have similar trigger laws, potentially forcing women in Mississippi to travel hundreds of miles for treatment.
      In Fondren, from the porch of a coffee shop with the clinic in view, a former Mississippian cursed the state’s leaders. Gaines Dobbins left for the West Coast four decades ago but frequently comes back to visit family and he still follows the state’s abortion fight. He and his wife regularly donate to Planned Parenthood, he said, because “I know how hard it can be.”
      “If it wasn’t for the federal government and Roe v. Wade,” he said, “you wouldn't have an abortion clinic down here.”

      Beginning in 1991, Mississippi enacted a series of targeted restrictions on abortion providers, commonly referred to as “TRAP laws.”
      That year, lawmakers required two appointments, with a 24-hour waiting period in between an initial counseling session and the procedure itself. In 1996, state law mandated women be given pamphlets with medical risks associated with abortion, including information that has been proven inaccurate. Structural requirements were also imposed on clinics in 1996, requiring that hallways be a certain width, ostensibly to accommodate a gurney. In 2007, the legislature passed a bill requiring minors to have a waiver from their parents. The bill also stated women must be given a copy of a sonogram or listen to a fetal heartbeat. In 2012, they tried to force doctors to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals











      The laws didn’t ban abortion, but they did have an effect.
      In the late 1980s, Mississippi had five abortion clinics across the state. By 2008, only the “Pink House” remained. Five other states, including Missouri and Kentucky, have only one abortion provider.
      In 2019, then-Gov. Phil Bryant signed the “heartbeat bill” into law, essentially banning abortions at six weeks gestation, before many women even know they’re pregnant. (Pregnancy weeks start on the last day of a woman’s last period, which is typically two weeks before conception. So, when a woman is six weeks pregnant, she may have just barely missed her period by a couple of days.) Just as had happened with the 15-week ban, a federal district court judge filed an injunction on that law and an appeals court upheld the decision.

      Mississippi isn’t alone in its recent barrage of abortion bills. Since January 2021, there have been 546 abortion restrictions introduced across 47 states, according to the Guttmacher Institute. In many cases, the authors of the bills have expressed their desire to draft a bill that would attract the attention of the Supreme Court. Most of them don’t.
      The bill that actually could impact a generation was written by Republican state Rep. Becky Currie, a nurse from a town with about 12,000 people located an hour south of Jackson. “Can you imagine how proud I am that my bill was picked, a nurse from Mississippi going to the Supreme Court?” Currie said last week. “It’s a huge deal.”
      Currie describes the 15-week law as “common sense” legislation.
      “After 15 weeks or four months of being pregnant, it’s just time to decide whether you're going to carry that baby or abort it,” she said. “I hope that mothers decide at that point to carry it because you can feel the baby move and can see its heartbeat and, with technology now, you even know what the sex is. I think it’s plenty of time to make that decision ... After four months, make up your mind.”
      In Mississippi, in 2018, just over 99 percent of the state’s approximately 3,000 abortions were performed before 15 weeks, and three-quarters of them before nine weeks.
      When the Jackson Women’s Health clinic first opened in 1995, it provided abortion services up through the end of 24 weeks, according to Izzy Pellegrine, Mississippi State University sociology doctoral student. With the changing of state laws so came changes in the clinic's services. Today, the clinic provide the abortion pill (nonmedical abortion) up to 11 weeks and surgical abortion up to 16 weeks, essentially complying with a law that is not actually in force. By state law, Medicaid funds can not pay for abortions in Mississippi.
      ...
      "The Supreme Court’s decision on a law banning abortions after 15 weeks could have major consequences for the mostly poor Black women who come to the ‘Pink House.’"


      ... these proposed anti-abortion laws are put forth mostly by old white men and women who have not personally faced raising an unwanted child in decades.

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      • BillyCarpenter
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        Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
        ...

        ... these proposed anti-abortion laws are put forth mostly by old white men and women who have not personally faced raising an unwanted child in decades.

        You're the same jackass that the other day said that white liberal men weren't targeting black neighborhoods with abortion clinics. You have been proven wrong again.
        Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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        • bsm2
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          • SalesServiceGuy
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            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
            You're the same jackass that the other day said that white liberal men weren't targeting black neighborhoods with abortion clinics. You have been proven wrong again.

            .... did you make that up? What post are you referring to?

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            • BillyCarpenter
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              Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
              .... did you make that up? What post are you referring to?

              Was it you or the other Canadian that argued with me about Margaret Sanger and the history of abortion clinics?
              Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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              • FrohnB
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                State of Our Union:

                We have a President with dementia.
                We have an ex-call girl for a Vice President.
                A Man who thinks he's a Woman is overseeing HHS.
                The President's son is a crackhead, and a human-trafficking pedophile who money laundered billions from other countries and shared half with his dad.
                The crackhead’s buddy is the head of the DEA.
                The crackhead’s other buddy is now in the DOJ.
                A guy who is sleeping with a Chinese spy is overseeing our DHS.
                We are now borrowing all of our money from China.
                Tens of Thousands, if not hundreds of Thousands of immigrants are coming in for our jobs and Social Security Benefits.
                100,000+ jobs lost in the past months.
                And the Democrats are still focusing on destroying a former President instead of doing the jobs they were "elected" to do.


                And we are supposed to believe that Biden is pro America?
                You just can’t make this shit up!
                God help our children & grandchildren.
                Omertà

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                • Copier Addict
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                  Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                  Originally posted by FrohnB
                  State of Our Union:100,000+ jobs lost in the past months.
                  And the Democrats are still focusing on destroying a former President instead of doing the jobs they were "elected" to do.

                  Wow!!!! That's a lot of BS in one place.

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                  • SalesServiceGuy
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                    Initial jobless claims fell to 406,000, hitting a new pandemic low and much less than expected, the Labor Department reported Thursday. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had expected a total of 425,000 Americans to have filed unemployment benefits in the week ended May 22.


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                    • Phil B.
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                      Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                      Originally posted by copier addict
                      Wow!!!! That's a lot of BS in one place.
                      if you ever did any research you would know that those are the facts... but then again you never do any research try it .. it just might open your eyes to the truth.

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                      • SalesServiceGuy
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                        Originally posted by Phil B.
                        if you ever did any research you would know that those are the facts... but then again you never do any research try it .. it just might open your eyes to the truth.
                        ... I just did research some of these claims. They are all sensational lies fabricated by the now dead Rush Limbaugh to increase his readership numbers and increase his ad revenues resulting in more personal profit.

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                        • slimslob
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                              • BillyCarpenter
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                                Originally posted by slimslob

                                Pay no attention to the price at the pump this weekend. It's all in your imagination....just like Antifa....it's not real.
                                Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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