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  • BillyCarpenter
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    #76
    Originally posted by Copier Addict

    It's pretty easy to give someone else's country away, isn't it Skippy?
    And yes, Canada is willing to fight in Ukraine. It's better than fighting in another US war over oil.

    The only countries that were given away were under Obama and Bush. Putin expanded it's territory under both. They invaded no one under Trump.

    Speaking as an American, I'm more than happy to allow Canada to lead to charge on the Ukrainian war. Why is the world always looking to America when there's a war?

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    • Copier Addict
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      #77
      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter


      The only countries that were given away were under Obama and Bush. Putin expanded it's territory under both. They invaded no one under Trump.

      Speaking as an American, I'm more than happy to allow Canada to lead to charge on the Ukrainian war. Why is the world always looking to America when there's a war?
      Because it's basically your entire identity.

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      • BillyCarpenter
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        #78
        Originally posted by Copier Addict

        Because it's basically your entire identity.
        No, I want to know why you'll blame the USA if Ukraine loses? Why not blame Trudeau or another world leader?

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        • Copier Addict
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          #79
          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

          No, I want to know why you'll blame the USA if Ukraine loses? Why not blame Trudeau or another world leader?
          I'm not going to blame the US. I'm gonna blame trumpy and his fascination with dictators.

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          • BillyCarpenter
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            #80
            Originally posted by Copier Addict

            I'm not going to blame the US. I'm gonna blame trumpy and his fascination with dictators.
            Hey, it hasn't happened at this time. But you can blame Obama for Putin grabbing Crimea under his watch.

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            • Copier Addict
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              #81
              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

              Hey, it hasn't happened at this time. But you can blame Obama for Putin grabbing Crimea under his watch.
              You must absolutely love Obama for not escalating.

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                #82
                Originally posted by Copier Addict

                You must absolutely love Obama for not escalating.
                I don't blame Obama for Crimea like you do. The USA needs to stop getting involved in every war. I just read that France is open to sending troops to Ukraine. Lord help us. This is escalating rather quickly. Too bad that Canada's military is in shambles because they could use some help.
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                • Copier Addict
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                  #83
                  Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

                  I don't blame Obama for Crimea like you do. The USA needs to stop getting involved in every war. I just read that France is open to sending troops to Ukraine. Lord help us. This is escalating rather quickly. Too bad that Canada's military is in shambles because they could use some help.
                  Did you say that I blame Obama? Hahaha. Only a moron would blame anyone but Putin for the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukraine.

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                  • BillyCarpenter
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                    #84
                    Zelensky: I’ll give up Ukrainian territory to Russia to achieve peace


                    President says for first time that his country could cede land temporarily in exchange for protection of a ‘Nato umbrella’


                    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...itory-ukraine/
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                    • copyman
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                      #85
                      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                      Zelensky: I’ll give up Ukrainian territory to Russia to achieve peace


                      President says for first time that his country could cede land temporarily in exchange for protection of a ‘Nato umbrella’


                      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...itory-ukraine/
                      Exactly what I predicted in earlier post above. "Ukraine war I think there will be a deal where Russia gets "some" Ukraine land to save face and end war"

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                      • BillyCarpenter
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                        #86
                        Originally posted by copyman

                        Exactly what I predicted in earlier post above. "Ukraine war I think there will be a deal where Russia gets "some" Ukraine land to save face and end war"
                        I hope that Zelensky isn't making a mistake by announcing that he's willing to give up land to Putin. Leaders who are willing to cede land are always on the side who is losing the war. That could embolden Putin, IMO. I think he would be better off letting Trump negotiate any deal. Just my opinion.

                        On another note, I watched a video of the soldiers on the front line. It was so sad. Living hell.
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                        • copyman
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                          #87
                          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

                          I hope that Zelensky isn't making a mistake by announcing that he's willing to give up land to Putin. Leaders who are willing to cede land are always on the side who is losing the war. That could embolden Putin, IMO. I think he would be better off letting Trump negotiate any deal. Just my opinion.

                          On another note, I watched a video of the soldiers on the front line. It was so sad. Living hell.
                          I don't think it will embolden Putin. He is looking to end this war. Hard for Russia to say they are winning the war when they have lost over 700,000 soldiers and not having many more replacements left. This is why Russia is using N. Korea troops. I'm sure Trump told Zelensky giving up some land is only way Putin will end this war.

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                          • slimslob
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                            #88
                            Originally posted by copyman

                            I don't think it will embolden Putin. He is looking to end this war. Hard for Russia to say they are winning the war when they have lost over 700,000 soldiers and not having many more replacements left. This is why Russia is using N. Korea troops. I'm sure Trump told Zelensky giving up some land is only way Putin will end this war.
                            Are you aware that in WWII at the start of Operation Barbarossa the German army suffered over 720,000 casualties in less than 1 month.

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