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  • Copier Addict
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    #31
    Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

    Are you saying that Americans are smart and highly educated?
    I don't think I even implied that.
    Again with your black or white thinking.
    Why do you believe every one of trumpy's lies and then repeat them without actually researching their veracity?

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    • BillyCarpenter
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      #32
      Originally posted by Copier Addict

      I don't think I even implied that.
      Again with your black or white thinking.
      Why do you believe every one of trumpy's lies and then repeat them without actually researching their veracity?
      Did you see the question mark? Try answering the question? Do you think Americans are sufficiently educated? Simple question.
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        #33
        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

        Did you see the question mark? Try answering the question? Do you think Americans are sufficiently educated? Simple question.
        I don't know what "sufficiently educated" means.
        What I know is, the US isn't dead last in education. And I also know you believed trumpy without checking the facts. I'm sure that must be embarrassing for you.

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        • BillyCarpenter
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          #34
          Originally posted by Copier Addict

          I don't know what "sufficiently educated" means.
          What I know is, the US isn't dead last in education. And I also know you believed trumpy without checking the facts. I'm sure that must be embarrassing for you.
          In the past you bashed our education system. You sure have changed your tune, ol' boy. Make up your mind.
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            #35
            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

            In the past you bashed our education system. You sure have changed your tune, ol' boy. Make up your mind.
            How exactly have I changed my tune? Please point out where you see that.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Copier Addict

              How exactly have I changed my tune? Please point out where you see that.
              Are you saying you haven't bashed uneducated Americans? Yes or no?
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                #37
                Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

                Are you saying you haven't bashed uneducated Americans? Yes or no?
                I didn't say that either. Why do you constantly try to put words in my mouth.

                But I am currently bashing your inability to use critical thinking when it comes to all of trumpy's lies.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Copier Addict

                  I didn't say that either. Why do you constantly try to put words in my mouth.

                  But I am currently bashing your inability to use critical thinking when it comes to all of trumpy's lies.
                  I asked you a question. Stop pretending like I put words in your mouth.


                  The DOE was founded in 1979? Have scores increased or decreased since then?
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                  • slimslob
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Copier Addict


                    I don't know what "sufficiently educated" means.
                    What I know is, the US isn't dead last in education. And I also know you believed trumpy without checking the facts. I'm sure that must be embarrassing for you.
                    You have been fact checked. and found to be lacking. The United States on January 6, 2025 the US did not even make the list of the top 207 countries. https://lsurec.com/education-rankings-by-country/
                    FYI on January 6, 2025 Biden was President and that was the final rating of his Education Department.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by slimslob

                      You have been fact checked. and found to be lacking. The United States on January 6, 2025 the US did not even make the list of the top 207 countries. https://lsurec.com/education-rankings-by-country/
                      FYI on January 6, 2025 Biden was President and that was the final rating of his Education Department.
                      Nice try Slim. I would recommend reading the article next time before posting.
                      This article rates the education "system", which ranks the following

                      "Key components shape its foundation, including:
                      • Schools, districts, and governing bodies at both local and national levels, each playing a role in shaping the structure and standards
                      • Laws, policies, and regulations that create the standards, curricula, and guidelines needed for consistent education
                      • Funding systems that decide how resources are allocated throughout the system

                      Physical infrastructure forms a backbone for operations. This includes:
                      • School buildings and classrooms
                      • Administrative offices
                      • Transportation systems that make learning accessible

                      Human resources are the heart of any education system, covering:
                      • Teachers who lead and guide students
                      • Administrators who manage and support school operations
                      • Support staff who provide essential services and assistance"

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                        Students’ Test Scores Unchanged After Decades of Federal Intervention in Education

                        Federal “Highly Qualified Teacher” mandates. Adequate Yearly Progress requirements. Smaller learning communities. Improving Teacher Quality State Grants. Reading First. Early Reading First. The dozens of other federal programs authorized via No Child Left Behind. School Improvement Grants. Race to the Top. Common Core.

                        All of that has been just since 2000. Over those past two decades, while federal policymakers were busy enacting new federal laws, creating mandates for local school leaders, and increasing the Department of Education’s budget from $38 billion in 2000 (unadjusted for inflation) to roughly $70 billion today, the math and reading performance of American high school students remained completely flat. That is to say, stagnant.

                        The U.S. is now above the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development average in reading, but alas, not because U.S. reading performance has improved. Rather, other countries have seen declines in reading achievement, despite increases in education spending.

                        In mathematics, however, U.S. performance has steadily declined over the past two decades.

                        Those are the findings from the Programme for International Student Assessment, or PISA exams, released last week.

                        As The New York Times’ Dana Goldstein reported:

                        About a fifth of American 15-year-olds scored so low on the PISA test that it appeared they had not mastered reading skills expected of a 10-year-old, according to Andreas Schleicher, director of education and skills at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which administers the exam.
                        What’s more, the achievement gap between high- and low-performing American students has widened.

                        The international findings mirror last month’s National Assessment of Educational Progress report, which revealed that math and reading scores across the country have continued a yearslong stagnation, with students largely showing no progress in academic achievement.

                        Just one-third of students in the fourth and eighth grades reached proficiency in math and reading nationally on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, which is administered every two years.

                        As with the Programme for International Student Assessment’s findings that the achievement gap stubbornly persists for American students, the National Assessment of Educational Progress highlighted similar findings within the U.S.

                        The scores of students who are among the lowest 10% of performers on the National Assessment of Educational Progress have dropped significantly since 2009.

                        The stubborn achievement gap is not new, but the National Assessment of Educational Progress and the Programme for International Student Assessment provide additional data points on its persistence.

                        As Harvard professor Paul Peterson writes in The Heritage Foundation’s new book “The Not-So-Great Society”:

                        The achievement gap in the United States is as wide today as it was in 1971. The performances on math, reading, and science tests between the most advantaged and the most disadvantaged students differ by approximately four years’ worth of learning, a disparity that has remained essentially unchanged for nearly half a century.
                        One of the more recent, major pieces of federal intervention sold as a way to improve American standing in education was the Common Core State Standards Initiative promoted during the Obama administration.

                        Common Core national standards and test, proponents argued, would catapult American students to the top of the math and reading pack. It was time, they argued, for the U.S. to have the same “epiphany” Germany did in the late 1990s, and adopt centrally planned national standards and tests.

                        Germany now lags the U.S. in reading, according to the new Programme for International Student Assessment data, and is far below Canada, a country that does not have national standards.

                        Indeed, our neighbor to the north has performed consistently well on the Programme for International Student Assessment since 2000, significantly outpacing the United States, and has neither national standards, nor a federal education department.

                        Canada’s is a decentralized education system, in which Canada’s 10 provinces set education policy.

                        The fact that Common Core didn’t catalyze improvements in the U.S. isn’t surprising. Large-scale government programs rarely, if ever, do.

                        But neither have the myriad federal programs created since No Child Left Behind in 2001, nor have the more than 100 federal K-12 education programs created since President Lyndon Johnson launched his Great Society initiative in 1965 designed, ostensibly, to narrow opportunity gaps between the poor and the affluent.

                        Heritage’s Jonathan Butcher and I detail Yuval Levin’s theory of government failure in “The Not-So-Great Society.” Levin explains that large-scale government programs fail for three reasons:

                        “Institutionally, the administrative state is ‘dismally inefficient and unresponsive, and therefore ill-suited to our age of endless choice and variety.’”
                        “Culturally and morally, government efforts to ‘rescue the citizen from the burdens of responsibility [have] undermined the family, self-reliance, and self-government.’”
                        “Fiscally, large-scale federal programs supporting the welfare state are simply unaffordable, ‘dependent as it is upon dubious economics and the demographic model of a bygone era.’”
                        Federal government efforts to improve education have been dismal. Even if there were a constitutional basis for its involvement—which there isn’t—the federal government is simply ill-positioned to determine what education policies will best serve the diverse local communities across our vast nation.

                        The sooner we can acknowledge that improvements will not come from Washington, the sooner we’re likely to see students flourishing in learning environments that reflect their unique needs and desires.

                        This piece originally appeared in The Daily Signal

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                          #42
                          Indeed, our neighbor to the north, Canada, has performed consistently well on the Programme for International Student Assessment since 2000, significantly outpacing the United States, and has neither national standards, nor a federal education department.

                          Canada’s is a decentralized education system, in which Canada’s 10 provinces set education policy.
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                            Indeed, our neighbor to the north, Canada, has performed consistently well on the Programme for International Student Assessment since 2000, significantly outpacing the United States, and has neither national standards, nor a federal education department.

                            Canada’s is a decentralized education system, in which Canada’s 10 provinces set education policy.
                            And somehow, copier addict is against the USA doing this.
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                              #44
                              I think I ended this debate with copier addict.
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                                #45
                                Who would have ever thought that Canada would make the case for eliminating the DOE?
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