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  • BillyCarpenter
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    #76
    Don't take my word on China, Listen to Nancy Pelosi.


    Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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    • SalesServiceGuy
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      #77
      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

      So, we're gonna continue to be a slave to cheap Chinees labor? Do you realize how many companies have gone out of business? Those were someone's jobs and dreams,
      ... yes! We all have, Americans and most of the world have got use to cheap imports from China and the rest of the world.

      If you look forward to the copier business in the USA where import tariffs (aka taxes) are going to more than double your cost of goods and slow your sales to a fracion of where it is now, you stand alone.

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      • SalesServiceGuy
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        #78
        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
        Don't take my word on China, Listen to Nancy Pelosi.


        ... whereever you got that decades old video of Pelosi , no matter what she said then, it is irrelvant now. The world is a much different place and China is a much more powerful adversary.

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        • BillyCarpenter
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          #79
          Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy

          ... whereever you got that decades old video of Pelosi , no matter what she said then, it is irrelvant now. The world is a much different place and China is a much more powerful adversary.
          Sure sounds like you're on the side of China. I think that's pretty clear. I don't see much difference between now and then. China cheats and no one can compete. I won't sell my soul for copiers. No, sir.
          Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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          • bsm2
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            #80
            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

            Sure sounds like you're on the side of China. I think that's pretty clear. I don't see much difference between now and then. China cheats and no one can compete. I won't sell my soul for copiers. No, sir.
            Guess your out of business
            Lmk when you get your 100 percent made in the USA copier..


            Yep definitely Nuts

            Your going to pay more for all parts toner and equipment under the Trump Administration. Guess your going personally pay the increased cost and not pass them to your customers. Thanks

            All Trump's doing is raising Taxes on the American people to pay for his 4 Trillion dollar tax cut for his rich buddies and Surprise your not one of them
            Last edited by bsm2; 04-13-2025, 10:30 AM.

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            • SalesServiceGuy
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              #81
              It has started!

              American consumers see tariff surcharges on their receipts amid trade war

              American consumers are seeing tariff surcharges on their receipts as businesses — especially those who import goods from China — grapple with rising costs.



              'It doesn’t cover the full cost — not even close,' Dame CEO Alexandra Fine told WSJ

              American consumers are noticing a new line on their shopping receipts — a tariff surcharge. Even with President Donald Trump’s 90-day pause on tariffs, companies and customers are feeling the impact, especially those that import their products from China.

              The surcharges have been popping up across several industries, impacting nearly everything from prices of clothing to automobile manufacturing. Some companies are charging flat fees, while others charge a percentage of the total cost of a given purchase.

              Alexandra Fine, CEO and co-founder of Dame, a sexual wellness company, spoke with The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) about her company’s recent $5 "Trump Tariff Surcharge" add-on.

              "It doesn’t cover the full cost—not even close—but it felt better than pretending everything’s fine," Fine told WSJ. She said the surcharge was about a "statement" and letting customers "know how these policies are impacting all of us."

              The company manufactures its products in China, which has been hit with a 145% import tariff amid escalating trade tensions between Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping.

              Amazon CEO Andy Jassy recently told CNBC that he thinks manufacturers will start to "pass that cost" on to customers rather than trying to absorb it. Many of the company’s third-party sellers — which make up 60% of products sold on Amazon — are based in China, and are facing the harshest of Trump’s tariffs.​

              Wedding dresses are also going up in price because of the tariffs. Paul Virilli, co-owner of Jan’s Boutique in New Jersey, told CBS News that prices of gowns from China are also going up.

              "We hope China and the U.S.' relationship gets fixed and resolved so we can continue to sell this dress at the price it's marked at," Virilli told CBS News. The outlet noted that most of his gowns come from China and Vietnam.

              ... how long before similar surcharges start appearing o copier invoices?

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                #82
                The US has a $29 trilion GDP. But remember that we consume $20 trillion. In other words, we buy everyone else's stuff. China consumes less than 10 trillion and that's mostly consumed by China.

                So, who's more important? We are. If we don't buy...they can't produce the goods.
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                • SalesServiceGuy
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                  #83
                  ... all around the world, trade is shifting away from the USA and it's tariffs. Countries are forging new trade alliances that do not include the USA and US products sold overseas are being shunned.

                  You can beat your chest with US bravado but the world has other choices and is preparing to live without the USA.

                  As an example, Canada recently outfoxed the USA on bond sales. PM Carney's first trip abroad was to Europe where he enlisted both France & Germany to join with Canada to make some very large US bond purchases. The USA quickly sold the bonds to fund the deeply in debt US gov't.

                  In PM Carney's first telephone conversation with Trump, he told Trump that he would deliberately crash the US$ with a massive US bond sale. This would force the USA to raise interest rates if Trump did not back off on tariffs.

                  Trump caved as PM Carney completely outclasses Trump in the financial world, being the past governor of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England.

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                  • BillyCarpenter
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                    #84
                    Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                    ... all around the world, trade is shifting away from the USA and it's tariffs. Countries are forging new trade alliances that do not include the USA and US products sold overseas are being shunned.

                    You can beat your chest with US bravado but the world has other choices and is preparing to live without the USA.

                    As an example, Canada recently outfoxed the USA on bond sales. PM Carney's first trip abroad was to Europe where he enlisted both France & Germany to join with Canada to make some very large US bond purchases. The USA quickly sold the bonds to fund the deeply in debt US gov't.

                    In PM Carney's first telephone conversation with Trump, he told Trump that he would deliberately crash the US$ with a massive US bond sale. This would force the USA to raise interest rates if Trump did not back off on tariffs.

                    Trump caved as PM Carney completely outclasses Trump in the financial world, being the past governor of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England.
                    hmmmm...what trade deals has Canada made to replace the USA?
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                    • bsm2
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                      #85
                      It's above his limited IQ

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                      • SalesServiceGuy
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                        #86

                        Canada has been actively diversifying its trade partnerships to reduce reliance on the United States. Here are some notable efforts:
                        1. Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP): This trade pact includes 11 countries across the Asia-Pacific region, such as Japan, Australia, and Vietnam. It provides Canada with access to a large and growing market.
                        2. Canada-European Union Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA): This agreement strengthens trade ties between Canada and the European Union, offering Canadian businesses access to a market of over 500 million people.
                        3. Canada-United Kingdom Trade Continuity Agreement: After Brexit, Canada and the UK established this agreement to maintain trade relations and ensure continuity in their economic partnership.
                        4. Exploration of New Markets: Canada has been exploring trade opportunities with countries in South America, Africa, and Asia to further diversify its trade portfolio.

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                        • bsm2
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                          #87
                          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                          Don't take my word on China, Listen to Nancy Pelosi.


                          Wow now you listen to Nancy
                          Hilarious Wacko's

                          Hey post what Ronald Reagan said about Traffifs

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                          • Mako
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                            #88
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                            • Copier Addict
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                              #89
                              Originally posted by Mako
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                              More proof that the lack of tariffs is good for the economy.
                              Thank for posting this.

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                              • SalesServiceGuy
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                                #90
                                ... another distinct possibility about the impact of tariffs on new copier sales, is that like during COVID, customers will elect to extend their current copier leases rather than acquire new equipment at artifically high costs. They will wait until the printer industry's "tariff" storm passes.

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