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  • Copier Addict
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    #46
    Originally posted by nullskull

    No I just thought it was unproductive.
    Good call.

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    • BillyCarpenter
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      #47
      Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy

      .... Yes, but very few late term abortions ever happen, usually due to medical complications resulting in non viable babies.

      You taking extreme political talking points does not diminish in any way how great Canada is.

      Canadian pride is way up, Canadian visits to the USA are way down.

      Canadian exports to the USA may be down significantly but USA imports to Canada are down significantly as well.

      Canadian exports to Europe and other parts of the world are way up.

      Currently, Canada is replacing American grain around the world as America has become too toxic to deal with.
      I don't want to hear that jive. Its legal and I think Canada is the only country where that is true.
      Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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      • nullskull
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        #48
        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

        I don't want to hear that jive. Its legal and I think Canada is the only country where that is true.
        Later term abortion is legal basically everywhere. The exceptions for life of the mother are the workaround. Life of the mother and health of the mother are often intermixed. Without strict guidelines the exception can be abused.

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        • nullskull
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          #49
          Originally posted by Copier Addict

          Good call.
          hypothetically though, if there was an illegal alien in the country who was a murderer and a rapist would you support him being sent to a foreign jail to pay for his crimes? what about capital punishment and forced labour?

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          • BillyCarpenter
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            #50
            Originally posted by nullskull

            Later term abortion is legal basically everywhere.

            Only if the mother's life is at risk. In Canada, it's legal to abort a pregnancy in the 9th month for any reason.
            Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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            • nullskull
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              #51
              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter


              Only if the mother's life is at risk. In Canada, it's legal to abort a pregnancy in the 9th month for any reason.
              It is arguable as to whether abortion is ever truly necessary with modern technology to prevent the death of the mother. Nor are many instances of late term abortion actually justifiable.

              Back to the American context. If you want proof positive that late term abortions are not performed for the dire reasons you always read about, I give you the interview the King of Late-term abortions, Warren Hern, gave to The Atlantic’s Elaine Godfrey. The recently retired Hern told her that in at least half of the late term abortions he performed, the babies these women were carrying did not have devastating diagnoses.

              You want more evidence? How about a 2013 review in the pro-abortion Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health that found “that most abortions done between Weeks 20 and 28 are not ‘for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment,’” according to Ramesh Ponnuru.

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              • Copier Addict
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                #52
                Originally posted by nullskull

                hypothetically though, if there was an illegal alien in the country who was a murderer and a rapist would you support him being sent to a foreign jail to pay for his crimes? what about capital punishment and forced labour?
                Any accused person should be given the appropriate punishment after due process. Just rounding people up and depositing them in a foreign prison is illegal.

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                • nullskull
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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Copier Addict

                  Any accused person should be given the appropriate punishment after due process. Just rounding people up and depositing them in a foreign prison is illegal.
                  Are you saying that there is no due process for them?

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                  • Copier Addict
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by nullskull

                    Are you saying that there is no due process for them?
                    The ones trumpty dumpty sent to El Salvador were kidnapped off the street and shipped directly to one of their prisons. With no due process.

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                    • SalesServiceGuy
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                      #55
                      In Canada, less than 1% of abortions occur after 20 weeks of gestation, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI). Most abortions (around 90%) take place within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, according to the Canadian Medical Association.
                      Here's a more detailed breakdown:
                      • Early abortions:
                        The vast majority of abortions in Canada occur early in pregnancy, with approximately 87% happening by 12 weeks.
                      • Late-term abortions:
                        Abortions after 20 weeks are considered late-term, and these are rare, accounting for less than 2.5% of all abortions, according to the Varsity.
                      • Specific numbers:
                        One source indicates that about 1.17% of abortions occur after 21 weeks. Another source estimates that less than 1% of abortions take place at or after 21 weeks.
                      • Reasons for late-term abortions:
                        These abortions are typically performed when there are serious medical issues, such as a severely impaired fetus or a threat to the woman's life, according to the Montreal Gazette.
                      ... late term abortions take place in less than 1% of all abortions in North America usually only due to serious health issues. To suggest that women choose this option for frivolous reasons is partisan political talking points.

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                      • Copier Addict
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                        #56
                        Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                        In Canada, less than 1% of abortions occur after 20 weeks of gestation, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI). Most abortions (around 90%) take place within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, according to the Canadian Medical Association.
                        Here's a more detailed breakdown:
                        • Early abortions:
                          The vast majority of abortions in Canada occur early in pregnancy, with approximately 87% happening by 12 weeks.
                        • Late-term abortions:
                          Abortions after 20 weeks are considered late-term, and these are rare, accounting for less than 2.5% of all abortions, according to the Varsity.
                        • Specific numbers:
                          One source indicates that about 1.17% of abortions occur after 21 weeks. Another source estimates that less than 1% of abortions take place at or after 21 weeks.
                        • Reasons for late-term abortions:
                          These abortions are typically performed when there are serious medical issues, such as a severely impaired fetus or a threat to the woman's life, according to the Montreal Gazette.
                        ... late term abortions take place in less than 1% of all abortions in North America usually only due to serious health issues. To suggest that women choose this option for frivolous reasons is partisan political talking points.
                        To them, it sounds plausible so they choose to not use their critical thinking skills

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                        • BillyCarpenter
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                          #57
                          Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                          In Canada, less than 1% of abortions occur after 20 weeks of gestation, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI). Most abortions (around 90%) take place within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, according to the Canadian Medical Association.
                          Here's a more detailed breakdown:
                          • Early abortions:
                            The vast majority of abortions in Canada occur early in pregnancy, with approximately 87% happening by 12 weeks.
                          • Late-term abortions:
                            Abortions after 20 weeks are considered late-term, and these are rare, accounting for less than 2.5% of all abortions, according to the Varsity.
                          • Specific numbers:
                            One source indicates that about 1.17% of abortions occur after 21 weeks. Another source estimates that less than 1% of abortions take place at or after 21 weeks.
                          • Reasons for late-term abortions:
                            These abortions are typically performed when there are serious medical issues, such as a severely impaired fetus or a threat to the woman's life, according to the Montreal Gazette.
                          ... late term abortions take place in less than 1% of all abortions in North America usually only due to serious health issues. To suggest that women choose this option for frivolous reasons is partisan political talking points.

                          Just answer the question: Is late term abortion legal in Canada?
                          Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                          • SalesServiceGuy
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                            #58
                            .... yes it is but it rarely happens and not for frivolous reasons.

                            Life is rarely about absolute answers but this seems to be what you are driving for.

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                            • nullskull
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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Copier Addict

                              The ones trumpty dumpty sent to El Salvador were kidnapped off the street and shipped directly to one of their prisons. With no due process.
                              Legal precedent seems to indicate that illegal aliens have very limited rights to due process. A nations sovereignty is highly at stake if millions of people can invade a country and then can stay around for years as a "due process" does it's thing. If it even happens at all. What is the point of having borders if enforcing them is a long arduous ordeal?

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