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  • mrwho
    Major Asshole!

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    • Apr 2009
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    #1

    The creation of a new copier

    I believe that, in every copier brand out there, every time they intend to design a new machine, they gather around a big round table and discuss what the machine should be like, how much it will cost, what it's supposed to do, the whole thing.

    Around that table there are the usual suspects: the guy from accounting, the marketing guy, the engineers, and, as it should be, a tech with actual field experience.

    But I suspect that before most of those meetings they go like

    "Hey, shhh! Don't let the tech guy know about this, but we're going to design a new model"

    "Well, shouldn't we call him?"

    "Screw him! He's a pain in the ass, always like 'Hey, but if you do that then it will be more difficult to repair it in the field' or 'If you cut expenses like that then the machine will break more often' etc etc."

    "Oh yeah, right!"

    "So, keep a tight lip and go call the marketing guy - this can't be done without him"

    So, when an actual serviceable machine comes out the production line, we know they were already at the round table when the tech guy walks by and goes

    "So, you're designing a new model and didn't bother to call me?"

    "Wh-what? Nobody told you?"


    Sorry, just venting...
    ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
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  • gwaddle
    Senior Tech

    500+ Posts
    • May 2009
    • 782

    #2
    Re: The creation of a new copier

    Sad but true.
    I know I should be ashamed of myself. Strangely though, I am not.

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    • ZOOTECH
      Senior member of CRS

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      2,500+ Posts
      • Jul 2007
      • 3375

      #3
      Re: The creation of a new copier

      Originally posted by mrwho
      I believe that, in every copier brand out there, every time they intend to design a new machine, they gather around a big round table and discuss what the machine should be like, how much it will cost, what it's supposed to do, the whole thing.

      Around that table there are the usual suspects: the guy from accounting, the marketing guy, the engineers, and, as it should be, a tech with actual field experience.

      But I suspect that before most of those meetings they go like

      "Hey, shhh! Don't let the tech guy know about this, but we're going to design a new model"

      "Well, shouldn't we call him?"

      "Screw him! He's a pain in the ass, always like 'Hey, but if you do that then it will be more difficult to repair it in the field' or 'If you cut expenses like that then the machine will break more often' etc etc."

      "Oh yeah, right!"

      "So, keep a tight lip and go call the marketing guy - this can't be done without him"

      So, when an actual serviceable machine comes out the production line, we know they were already at the round table when the tech guy walks by and goes

      "So, you're designing a new model and didn't bother to call me?"

      "Wh-what? Nobody told you?"


      Sorry, just venting...
      And then, the BETA testing (at the customer's location ) to find out that a tech should have been at the table.
      "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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      • mo0651
        Service Manager

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        • Apr 2009
        • 1054

        #4
        Re: The creation of a new copier

        Copier companies need an option for their copiers. An operation panel option, that bolts on, and just has a big green start button. No options to select, no thought process, just make copies! that way no goof ups by operators.

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        • gwaddle
          Senior Tech

          500+ Posts
          • May 2009
          • 782

          #5
          Re: The creation of a new copier

          Originally posted by mo0651
          Copier companies need an option for their copiers. An operation panel option, that bolts on, and just has a big green start button. No options to select, no thought process, just make copies! that way no goof ups by operators.
          You are wise.
          I know I should be ashamed of myself. Strangely though, I am not.

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          • fixthecopier
            ALIEN OVERLORD

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            • Apr 2008
            • 4713

            #6
            Re: The creation of a new copier

            Originally posted by mo0651
            Copier companies need an option for their copiers. An operation panel option, that bolts on, and just has a big green start button. No options to select, no thought process, just make copies! that way no goof ups by operators.

            I have been pushing for that as an Army copier for years.
            The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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            • fixthecopier
              ALIEN OVERLORD

              2,500+ Posts
              • Apr 2008
              • 4713

              #7
              Re: The creation of a new copier

              Originally posted by mrwho
              I believe that, in every copier brand out there, every time they intend to design a new machine, they gather around a big round table and discuss what the machine should be like, how much it will cost, what it's supposed to do, the whole thing.

              Around that table there are the usual suspects: the guy from accounting, the marketing guy, the engineers, and, as it should be, a tech with actual field experience.

              But I suspect that before most of those meetings they go like

              "Hey, shhh! Don't let the tech guy know about this, but we're going to design a new model"

              "Well, shouldn't we call him?"

              "Screw him! He's a pain in the ass, always like 'Hey, but if you do that then it will be more difficult to repair it in the field' or 'If you cut expenses like that then the machine will break more often' etc etc."

              "Oh yeah, right!"

              "So, keep a tight lip and go call the marketing guy - this can't be done without him"

              So, when an actual serviceable machine comes out the production line, we know they were already at the round table when the tech guy walks by and goes

              "So, you're designing a new model and didn't bother to call me?"

              "Wh-what? Nobody told you?"


              Sorry, just venting...


              You forgot the part when the machine makes the worst copier ever list, it is the techs fault for not being at the meeting.
              The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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              • Ollie1981
                Toner Monkey

                250+ Posts
                • Mar 2008
                • 417

                #8
                Re: The creation of a new copier

                Originally posted by mo0651
                Copier companies need an option for their copiers. An operation panel option, that bolts on, and just has a big green start button. No options to select, no thought process, just make copies! that way no goof ups by operators.
                We used to have something similar to that on pay per copy machines in supermarkets, it was a metal thing that fitted over the normal ops panel of the copier and replaced the interface with big dumbass friendly primary coloured buttons with big writing on them.

                There were still people stupid enough to not understand that!

                I think sometimes though, people can be wilfully stupid. They go through life hoping that by whining like a bitch, somebody else will come and sort it out for them.

                That's why I wish somebody would actually hire Triple T, the office linebacker.



                Remember:- โ€‹YOU KILL THE JOE, YOU MAKE SOME MO!!

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                • blackcat4866
                  Master Of The Obvious

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                  • Jul 2007
                  • 23008

                  #9
                  Re: The creation of a new copier

                  Originally posted by mo0651
                  Copier companies need an option for their copiers. An operation panel option, that bolts on, and just has a big green start button. No options to select, no thought process, just make copies! that way no goof ups by operators.
                  There are plenty of places that need that. No enlargement/reduction, no border erase, no negative copying, just a big start button-that's it. =^..^=
                  If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                  1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                  2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                  3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                  4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                  5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                  blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                  • JR2ALTA
                    Service Manager

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                    • Feb 2010
                    • 2033

                    #10
                    Re: The creation of a new copier

                    Originally posted by blackcat4866
                    There are plenty of places that need that. No enlargement/reduction, no border erase, no negative copying, just a big start button-that's it. =^..^=
                    Would it be insulting to suggest to a customer of sound mind and body to keep machine in "Accessibility Mode" ?

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                    • blackcat4866
                      Master Of The Obvious

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                      • Jul 2007
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                      #11
                      Re: The creation of a new copier

                      I've got a couple of factory locations that prefer the "Accessibility View". They call it the "Simple View". It's hard not to laugh. =^..^=
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                      • otuvak
                        Trusted Tech

                        100+ Posts
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 102

                        #12
                        Re: The creation of a new copier

                        Need to invent the jitter bug copier!

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                        • igi
                          Service Manager

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                          • Apr 2009
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                          #13
                          Re: The creation of a new copier

                          Hi all

                          i know the real reason why tech is not invited.

                          that way they can blame us for anything that goes wrong.


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                          • Venom
                            Technical/IT Support

                            500+ Posts
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 765

                            #14
                            Re: The creation of a new copier

                            Years ago we had copiers in a college and we painted the underside of the glass with white paint so only a letter sized document could be seen on the glass...it sure helped them with placing paper on in right direction and skyshots didn't happen anymore.
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                            • Tonerbomb
                              AutoMajical Resolutionist

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                              • Feb 2005
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                              #15
                              Re: The creation of a new copier

                              Originally posted by Venom
                              Years ago we had copiers in a college and we painted the underside of the glass with white paint so only a letter sized document could be seen on the glass...it sure helped them with placing paper on in right direction and skyshots didn't happen anymore.
                              Did that back in the day!! And how many service calls have been generated by a customer accidentally pushing the simplified display button????
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