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  • mrwho
    Major Asshole!

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    #1

    3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

    Who the hell comes up with these numbers? An handicapped person?

    paperjamtimetosolve.jpg
    ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
    Mascan42

    'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

    Ibid

    I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!
  • Jules Winfield
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    #2
    Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

    Originally posted by mrwho
    Who the hell comes up with these numbers? An handicapped person?

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    You're close... Marketing people.
    But I'm trying, Ringo. I'm trying real hard... to be the Shepherd.

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    • mrwho
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      #3
      Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

      What scares me the most is that is an average number - which means that if half of the people can remove a jam in less than one minute, the other half must take 5+ minutes! Yikes!
      ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
      Mascan42

      'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

      Ibid

      I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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      • Jules Winfield
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        #4
        Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

        You also have to take into account the language they used in that statement. 2-3 minutes to solve. That could mean anything. That could mean 2-3 minutes to solve the mystery of where the jam is even located, or 2-3 minutes to look up the phone number of the service company even though it's posted in plain view on the front of the copier.
        But I'm trying, Ringo. I'm trying real hard... to be the Shepherd.

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        • blackcat4866
          Master Of The Obvious

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          #5
          Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

          Originally posted by mrwho
          What scares me the most is that is an average number - which means that if half of the people can remove a jam in less than one minute, the other half must take 5+ minutes! Yikes!
          Those are the endusers that show one real paper jam then ten J00 jams, resulting from missing one of the jams repeatedly (and cursing loudly the whole time). =^..^=
          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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          • Hemlock
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            #6
            Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

            Does this include warm up time for the fuser?
            Resetting paper layout? (if tabs or other stacked stock, you may have to clear the excess in the drawer)
            A second look? (not every machine gives clear indications, especially if paper is torn)
            Lengthly jams to clear (a jam at the tail end of a production machine may result in 20+ feet of path to check)
            “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” (Isaac Asimov)

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            • mrwho
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              #7
              Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

              Originally posted by Hemlock
              Does this include warm up time for the fuser?
              Resetting paper layout? (if tabs or other stacked stock, you may have to clear the excess in the drawer)
              A second look? (not every machine gives clear indications, especially if paper is torn)
              Lengthly jams to clear (a jam at the tail end of a production machine may result in 20+ feet of path to check)
              I agree with you, but those are out-of-the-norm situations. That paper indicates an average time - I think it's a wee excessive for an average, don't you think?
              ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
              Mascan42

              'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

              Ibid

              I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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              • Hemlock
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                #8
                Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

                Originally posted by mrwho
                I agree with you, but those are out-of-the-norm situations. That paper indicates an average time - I think it's a wee excessive for an average, don't you think?
                Average is a much abused word; we need to know what machines and situations they're using as a metric.
                “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” (Isaac Asimov)

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                • Rob Sandberg
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                  #9
                  Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

                  Mr Who do not put down the handicap this way.
                  They would do a better job than this.

                  This was done by someone lower than marketing.
                  You know the person who asks as you walk in the door "is it fixed yet" see lawyer.

                  Rob S



                  Originally posted by mrwho
                  Who the hell comes up with these numbers? An handicapped person?

                  [ATTACH=CONFIG]14443[/ATTACH]

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                  • Eric1968
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                    #10
                    Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

                    Minimum Repair Time can also be a great laugh...

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                    • Tricky
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                      #11
                      Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

                      Originally posted by mrwho
                      Who the hell comes up with these numbers?
                      Had a quick look at the site, there's some good claims...


                      Improved surface

                      Provides excellent printing quality whilst reducing toner consumption.
                      Not even the guy that refills his toner cartridges with waste toner would buy that one.
                      Last edited by Tricky; 02-16-2012, 08:47 PM.

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                      • mrwho
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                        #12
                        Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

                        Navigator is an excelent paper, at least it means they have engineers as committed as their marketing staff!
                        ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
                        Mascan42

                        'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

                        Ibid

                        I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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                        • igi
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                          #13
                          Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

                          hi all
                          my 2-cents

                          maybe the speed and size of the copier is an isue

                          small one 2-papers jam
                          big one 10-papers jam

                          any where in between is average.

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                          • doug94550
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                            #14
                            Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

                            Originally posted by mrwho
                            What scares me the most is that is an average number - which means that if half of the people can remove a jam in less than one minute, the other half must take 5+ minutes! Yikes!
                            Nope. The other half leaves it in the machine and walks away

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                            • fixthecopier
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                              #15
                              Re: 3 minutes to remove a paper jam?

                              I have done it in 15 seconds and I have spent 45 minutes disassembling a Bizhub 600 doc feed to get a spec of paper out. Its stuff like that kills the average.
                              The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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