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  • Jimbo1
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    What do we want our children taught really?

    What Do we want Our Children Taught Really?
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  • NeoMatrix
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    Re: What do we want our children taught really?

    Just do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Simple natural cause and effect. What ever you teach them good and bad they will end up using on you. Who then will be in honour or shame?
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    • HenryT2
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      Re: What do we want our children taught really?

      Originally posted by NeoMatrix
      Just do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Simple natural cause and effect. What ever you teach them good and bad they will end up using on you. Who then will be in honour or shame?
      Is there Shame in Honor ? Is there Honor in Shame ?

      My Dad tried to teach me right from wrong , and he exclaimed to me , just like the preacher : " Do what I tell you to do...not what you see me do . " I learned what he meant when I had kids of my own .
      I have had to explain that to my own kids, as I tried to teach them right from wrong ; I AM NOT PERFECT ! DON'T FOLLOW MY FOOTSTEPS ; I'VE MADE TOO MANY MISTAKES ! I believe that is what my dad meant . He wanted me to learn from his mistakes, and not make the same ones he did .

      We each have to make our own mistakes, and not hold a grudge with those who either cannot or will not listen to our 'Voice of Reason ' .

      "Just do unto others as you would have them do unto you. "
      "The Serenity Prayer" . . .
      God grant me the serenity to accept stupid people , the courage to not waste my time and energy on them , and the wisdom to know that I cannot fix STUPID .

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      • DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS
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        Re: What do we want our children taught really?

        Originally posted by NeoMatrix
        Just do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Simple natural cause and effect. What ever you teach them good and bad they will end up using on you. Who then will be in honour or shame?
        Teach your children good MORALS period. Let them 'KNOW' GOD,& LOVE HIM with all their mind, body and soul, rather than them 'hearing or knowing about God'. Let them know that all they see in this universe had a beginning, and will have an end. Teach them the 'Golden rule' above, i.e '' Love your neighbor as you love yourself'', in short, ''What I want for myself, I want for others also''. Teach them the value of DISCIPLINE, HUMILITY, PATIENCE & SACRIFICE if they want to be successful in life.
        Teach them that ''An Educated Person is one who can get all that he wants in life, WITHOUT infringing on the rights of others". Teach them that God created us in 'HIS image' and gave us the freedom to 'ACT' as we wish, but take full responsibility for our own 'ACTION'. He has placed before us both a BLESSING & a CURSE, FIRE & WATER, LIFE & DEATH, and that its ''up to us to choose'' which one we want. Finally let them know and remember that GOD'S LAWS, also known as the LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE is Eternal & Uncompromising, and it doesn't matter who you are!

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        • mrwho
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          Re: What do we want our children taught really?

          Do unto others what you want others to do to you.

          Don't judge others - Everyone's free to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt/affect anyone else.

          Finally I don't care if my son is going to be a catholic, muslim, budhist, atheist or other; Gay or heterosexual; etc. I just want him to be happy.
          ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
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          Ibid

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          • rthonpm
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            Re: What do we want our children taught really?

            Golden rule has to be first and foremost. For schools though, stop teaching children as if they are input/output machines: teach them to actually think critically. No matter your political ideology (I'll put it out there that I'm a registered independent) I think we can all agree that schools don't teach as much as tell: students are given all kinds of facts and figures and formulas but they're never really shown any kind of application for them or how they even really work. I'd actually say that a person considered 'educated' in the 1800's is in some ways more educated than any such person today: modern education is ten miles long and an inch deep while the man from the 1800's would actually understand the topics he was taught in a manner of detail that very few people would have today.

            My idea for the basics of education: give everyone a common groundwork.

            Elementary/grammar school: literacy, grammar, mathematics, basic science, music and athletics (keep the mind and body healthy).

            Middle school: advanced versions of all of the above as well as history, second language (helps in future business, and in understanding how to effectively communicate), effective writing, critical thinking (the last two are more concepts to teach).

            High school: advanced versions of all the above with technology (use of basic software), slight move towards specialising skills as students show more aptitude in certain areas, use of first sources as opposed to textbooks.

            College/university: summation of everything learned in previous schooling along with advanced specialisation for majors, or liberal arts. Overall, the number of available majors should be limited to general fields with post graduate and higher degrees offering more and more specialisation: we need more liberal arts majors who can do anything in the work force than we do women's studies or French literature majors.

            In more generic terms, I'd want my children to be taught to examine what they're being told or taught: to see the biases or preconceptions of the people telling them things and to try and pull fact from opinion in order to try and find the answer for themselves. Finally, teachers need to leave their own politics at the door: there's nothing more intellectually dishonest than a teacher with an axe to grind or their own preconceptions on a subject they teach.


            Then again, I graduated with a degree focused more on philosophy and critical thinking so maybe I have my own preconceptions. That said though, we'd be much better off with an educational system that challenges instead of one that gives us fact in/answer on test out like we have now...

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            • prntrfxr
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              Re: What do we want our children taught really?

              I would teach my child to have the morals described in the Bible, not what they see "so-called" religious people say and do.
              To stand up for family values and principles regardless of what other people think.
              To do the right thing when those around them don't, even if it is their peers or by well meaning people.
              I would tell them that to live a life with the above 3 things is a life of courage. That more courage is required to do the above than is required of a soldier who goes off to war.
              I would show them that nothing is given freely in this world. If you want it, you need to work for it.
              I would teach them to do their best in their work. That if you can't feel proud of the work you've done, you haven't done a good job.
              I wouldn't lie to them. Yes, it is true that you can be and do whatever you want in this world, but what are you going to give up to get it? Will you sell your soul? Is it really worth it?
              I would tell them to never let anyone tell you that you can't reach your dreams, but remember the point just above this one.
              I would teach them to never just accept what someone says on face value. Investigate. Think. Reason.
              I would teach them to be responsible, loyal, trustworthy, humble, and honest.
              I would show them my mistakes, not hide them. I would show them the consequences and explain that everything we do has an outcome. Some outcomes can last the rest of our lives.
              I would teach them that it is not a bad thing to apologize, even if it was the other person at fault. It makes other people respect you, especially if the person at fault realizes that you took the blame for them and they were the ones in the wrong.
              I would hope they would not be afraid to try something new.
              I would provide discipline, because if I don't the world will and it's discipline is far more painful and damaging.
              I would teach them how to tell the difference between right and wrong and that this is not determined by popular opinion.
              I would teach them how to be a peacemaker not a war monger and explain that it is okay if other people have an opinion different than mine. I would show them how to put themselves in "the other man's shoes" and think about how the other side feels. How to never compromise on their own values, but without crushing the beliefs and values of others. It's okay to disagree, but there is no need to make it personal.
              I would teach them to obey the law and respect the life and property of others.
              I would show them that it's okay to be different than everyone else and how to love themselves without being conceited.
              I would teach them that no one in this world is better than anyone else, and they should treat people like that accordingly.
              I would read to my child long before they are able to speak and continue to make literacy part of their life as they continue to grow.
              I would show them how to find answers to their questions if someone can not give them the answer and to never give up asking questions.
              I would teach them about money and the dangers of credit.
              I would allow them and encourage them to learn a foreign language while they are young.
              I would allow/encourage them to learn to play a musical instrument.
              I would show them by my (imperfect) example that I believe and try to do everything I've said was important for them to learn, to do, or to be.
              I would show them the meaning of love, kindness, compassion, and respect for others. These things do not make a person weak.
              I would teach them to always tell the people they love how much they care everyday and show it by their actions.
              I would hope that they learn patience, but I doubt that they would learn that from me. lol...
              I would teach them that violence is not the answer and that a person that truly loves them would never be violent toward them.
              I would teach them that staying angry with people only hurts yourself. If you stay mad, they win. You end up with headaches, upset stomach, and loss of sleep. Most of the time they don't realize they've done something wrong. Why should you lose sleep and they sleep fine? Let it go. They will learn from their mistakes, just as you will learn from yours. Everyone is stupid, sometimes.
              I would tell them that greed is the enemy. A greedy person doesn't have to be greedy for money to be greedy. Anytime a person wants something that belongs to someone else, or makes the acquisition of things more important than anything else in their life, they are greedy.
              I would teach them that what you put in, is what you get out. This applies to your mind, your heart, your relationships, your job, or anything that is important to you. If you feed your mind and heart on violence. A violent person is who you will become. If you hang around dishonest people, you will become dishonest. If you are in a relationship but don't show love for the other person, you cannot expect love to be returned to you from that person.
              That if you want your mate to respect you, what are you doing to earn their respect?

              If everyone in the world practiced the above, it is very likely that there would be an end to war, suffering, crime, and violence in the world. Having said all this, I would prefer to teach my children at home than trust someone else to do it for me.
              Last edited by prntrfxr; 11-30-2012, 03:09 PM. Reason: Wow, and this was the short list.
              Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Coke in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a ride!".

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              • DWise
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                • Apr 2010
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                Re: What do we want our children taught really?

                Originally posted by prntrfxr
                I would teach my child to have the morals described in the Bible, not what they see "so-called" religious people say and do.
                To stand up for family values and principles regardless of what other people think.
                To do the right thing when those around them don't, even if it is their peers or by well meaning people.
                I would tell them that to live a life with the above 3 things is a life of courage. That more courage is required to do the above than is required of a soldier who goes off to war.
                I would show them that nothing is given freely in this world. If you want it, you need to work for it.
                I would teach them to do their best in their work. That if you can't feel proud of the work you've done, you haven't done a good job.
                I wouldn't lie to them. Yes, it is true that you can be and do whatever you want in this world, but what are you going to give up to get it? Will you sell your soul? Is it really worth it?
                I would tell them to never let anyone tell you that you can't reach your dreams, but remember the point just above this one.
                I would teach them to never just accept what someone says on face value. Investigate. Think. Reason.
                I would teach them to be responsible, loyal, trustworthy, humble, and honest.
                I would show them my mistakes, not hide them. I would show them the consequences and explain that everything we do has an outcome. Some outcomes can last the rest of our lives.
                I would teach them that it is not a bad thing to apologize, even if it was the other person at fault. It makes other people respect you, especially if the person at fault realizes that you took the blame for them and they were the ones in the wrong.
                I would hope they would not be afraid to try something new.
                I would provide discipline, because if I don't the world will and it's discipline is far more painful and damaging.
                I would teach them how to tell the difference between right and wrong and that this is not determined by popular opinion.
                I would teach them how to be a peacemaker not a war monger and explain that it is okay if other people have an opinion different than mine. I would show them how to put themselves in "the other man's shoes" and think about how the other side feels. How to never compromise on their own values, but without crushing the beliefs and values of others. It's okay to disagree, but there is no need to make it personal.
                I would teach them to obey the law and respect the life and property of others.
                I would show them that it's okay to be different than everyone else and how to love themselves without being conceited.
                I would teach them that no one in this world is better than anyone else, and they should treat people like that accordingly.
                I would read to my child long before they are able to speak and continue to make literacy part of their life as they continue to grow.
                I would show them how to find answers to their questions if someone can not give them the answer and to never give up asking questions.
                I would teach them about money and the dangers of credit.
                I would allow them and encourage them to learn a foreign language while they are young.
                I would allow/encourage them to learn to play a musical instrument.
                I would show them by my (imperfect) example that I believe and try to do everything I've said was important for them to learn, to do, or to be.
                I would show them the meaning of love, kindness, compassion, and respect for others. These things do not make a person weak.
                I would teach them to always tell the people they love how much they care everyday and show it by their actions.
                I would hope that they learn patience, but I doubt that they would learn that from me. lol...
                I would teach them that violence is not the answer and that a person that truly loves them would never be violent toward them.
                I would teach them that staying angry with people only hurts yourself. If you stay mad, they win. You end up with headaches, upset stomach, and loss of sleep. Most of the time they don't realize they've done something wrong. Why should you lose sleep and they sleep fine? Let it go. They will learn from their mistakes, just as you will learn from yours. Everyone is stupid, sometimes.
                I would tell them that greed is the enemy. A greedy person doesn't have to be greedy for money to be greedy. Anytime a person wants something that belongs to someone else, or makes the acquisition of things more important than anything else in their life, they are greedy.
                I would teach them that what you put in, is what you get out. This applies to your mind, your heart, your relationships, your job, or anything that is important to you. If you feed your mind and heart on violence. A violent person is who you will become. If you hang around dishonest people, you will become dishonest. If you are in a relationship but don't show love for the other person, you cannot expect love to be returned to you from that person.
                That if you want your mate to respect you, what are you doing to earn their respect?

                If everyone in the world practiced the above, it is very likely that there would be an end to war, suffering, crime, and violence in the world. Having said all this, I would prefer to teach my children at home than trust someone else to do it for me.
                Wow... this world could use a TON more of like-minded people!! I agree with all of the above!
                Do for one what you wished you could do for everyone. - Andy Stanley

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                • lees
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                  #9
                  Re: What do we want our children taught really?

                  Can't say it any better than that Prntrfxr.

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                  • HenryT2
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                    #10
                    Re: What do we want our children taught really?

                    Originally posted by lees
                    Can't say it any better than that Prntrfxr.
                    I agree as well !!!!!
                    "The Serenity Prayer" . . .
                    God grant me the serenity to accept stupid people , the courage to not waste my time and energy on them , and the wisdom to know that I cannot fix STUPID .

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                    • Jimbo1
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                      #11
                      Re: What do we want our children taught really?

                      I agree with a lot of what everyone has said here. I am just curious how many looked at the associated video?????????
                      "Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you."

                      Cdr. William Riker

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                      • ZOOTECH
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                        Re: What do we want our children taught really?

                        Originally posted by Jimbo1
                        I agree with a lot of what everyone has said here. I am just curious how many looked at the associated video?????????
                        I did, and I found it disturbing to say the least (and I lean to the left of center). If parents taught their children like prntrfxr would, then the children wouldn't put up with "being brain-washed", and could put a stop to it. IMHO
                        "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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                        • Shadow1
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                          Originally posted by prntrfxr
                          I would teach my child to have the morals described in the Bible, not what they see "so-called" religious people say and do....

                          <snip>

                          ...I would prefer to teach my children at home than trust someone else to do it for me.
                          A heartfelt round of applause to you!

                          ...and I want to add one more thing. Don't be afraid to let your children know when you mess up - "Do as I say, not as I do" only teaches rebellion against hypocrisy, unless you are willing to teach them you had to learn things the hard way sometimes and you're trying to pass on some of that hard earned wisdom.
                          73 DE W5SSJ

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                          • DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS
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                            prntrfxr has 'said it all', need we say more? Well probably one or two more.

                            Teach them that, 'IF you are to choose between a good reputation and great wealth, choose a good reputation'. Hammer this point into their heads: '' That it is very much better to die childless than have a thousand children who are GODLESS!''.
                            Generally speaking, ''TEACH CHILDREN HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE, AND THEY WILL REMEMBER IT ALL THEIR LIVES''.

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                            • canonbundy
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                              Re: What do we want our children taught really?

                              Taking 'on board' and mostly agreeing with all previous Posts, it is a 'Matter of Fact World' in which we live in and I have related stories to my kids and they have also to theirs some of Bill Cosby's dealings (via his records etc) with his own children, I am sure we have all laughed at his stories in TV Shows as well, they seem to show most aspects of life which can be understood from all sides, I am not a TV Buff but he made a lot of sense in dealing with Mainstream Life.
                              God Bless.

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