Gun Control

[MR Bill]

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Zoo tech, I really don,t think you are paying attention. A AR 15 or AK 47 is a semi auto weapon. They are not illegal. In your post you said Automatic WMD. You are getting a little emotional . Don,t get pissed at me.

[slimslob]

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Zootech. You have been brain washed by the media. AUTOMATIC weapons are NOT legal for your average citizen to own. Damn. And in the U.S. There are only about 170 people out of 10000 people killed each year with AR 15 , AK 47 style rifles. It is not a serious problem. My goodness.

The AR 15 and AK 47 are not AUTOMATIC weapons, they are semi-automatic weapons. You have to pull the trigger for each round that you fire. The AR 15 may look similar to the M-16, but in essence is nothing more than a fancy looking 2220 or 220 Swift varmint rifle.

An AUTOMATIC weapon would be something like the Thompson Sub-machine gun (also called the grease gun), M-4, M-16, M-60, M-2 (Affectionately called MA Deuce), etc. With the exception of the M-4 and later versions of the M-16 which fire 3 round bursts, you pull the trigger and the weapon continues to fire until you release the trigger or run out of rounds.

If you want real fire power there is the Dillon Aero M134 Gatling Gun. 3000 rounds of 7.62mm per minute.

[ZOOTECH]

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Zoo tech, I really don,t think you are paying attention. A AR 15 or AK 47 is a semi auto weapon. They are not illegal. In your post you said Automatic WMD. You are getting a little emotional . Don,t get pissed at me.

MR Bill, I' m not pissed at you at all. You're probably right, I am a bit emotional about it, innocent people killed for apparently no good reason does upset me. Those "semi auto weapons" can easily be modified for full auto, and are probably not registered.
I've qualified with the AR15 in the Air Force, and I don't understand why they would be legal for the populace; they are for killing.
And at this time of night, I may not be paying attention to semantics - it's time for this old man to get ready for another days work.

I qualified on the M16, not the AR15.

[MR Bill]

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Ya, I,m kinda tired myself. OK, good night zoo tech.

[fixthecopier]

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That's weird, if you were a the run of the mill criminal, wouldn't you find it more productive to commit your crimes in places where the absence of firearms was assured? Seems to me that would be the easiest way to avoid getting shot while committing your crimes.

Not sure how this keeps getting lost in translation, IF I were a criminal, I would at least be smart enough to break in when people were gone. Guns are worth more than tv's. The fact that you have a gun in your home, while you are away, means I am going to steal your gun. Unless you have a robot, or a dog that can use a gun, I would not be afraid. The farther you live out in the country, the less chance I will get caught. This is based on people I know who have had thier guns stolen. Not by me .

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[Kidaver]

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Up above you said the AR 15 was designed for killing. In the military you either have an M4 or M16 which is a semi auto weapon as in my 8 year I never used the 3 round burst on my weapon, it was always set to semi when firing. Another thing we were taught is that these weapons use a 5.56mm NATO round. The round are not designed to kill but to maim. I mean they will kill you if they hit you in the right place and will damn sure maim you. They use that round because it more "humane". You gotta love the logic of things. I know lots of people with stockpiles of guns and ammo (I do live in Texas), however I have never had a nervous feeling around them that they are going to freak out and shoot us all up. I can however go into a local store in a bad neighborhood with a lot of shady characters around it. There are times I have felt safer in Iraq than some of the areas around here.

[Coptech]

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This thread is full of twists and turns. It goes from robberies with the primary theft target as the guns? (because they are worth more than a television) It goes from criminals vs. overmedicated, It takes a turn through the danger of handguns vs. rifles, It mentions small towns, metropolis, and sparsely populated areas. Responsible owners vs. "off the street buyers". and the hopes that registration would resolve.

Our nation was founded on an armed population ready to fight for their freedom. With that at the core, it is a heated issue.

I personally am unclear on what registration would resolve. Knowing where they are would only help if you knew which one was the culprit. Is the thought that a collector that has several guns is a "nut job" and bears watching? You can't even use a felon's criminal past against them for fear of violating their civil rights. I just don't get what they hope to fix.

Absolutely, guns need to only be in the hands of responsible, well trained people. But, if that were the case, there would be no gun crimes would there?

I don't have an answer to the problem other than better handling of criminals. Deal with them more harshly so that crime does not pay. Don't let them get a second offense. In my mindset, that is the better answer.

[ZOOTECH]

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I guess those gents won't have to worry about which is which ---

[MR Bill]

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Good info Kidaver. I was not in the service so did not know if the rifles were full auto or not. I did know about the maiming rounds. Crazy war stuff. So Zootech. You mentioned converting some of these semi auto rifles to full auto? I,m not sure how easy it is to do that. Also I don,t think you have a advantage if your weapon is full auto. That sick Adan Lanza had a semi auto. The Aurora theater shooter had semi auto. Now here is a story I thing you all will remember. Feb,28 1997 . 2 bank robbers in North Hollywood . They had about 6 rifles that they converted to full automatic. Robbed the bank and had a Shootout with the police. DAMN, they fired off more than 2000 rounds. And didn't,t kill anyone. Wounded about 11 people. Why didn't,t they kill anyone? I thing it because there weapons were FULL AUTO. They didn't,t AIM. Just sprayed bullets everywhere. If they had them set to 3 round burst or just semi auto they would have killed a shit load of people? HOW do you fire off over 2000 rounds and not kill any of your targets? These guys also had bullet proof vest on. They got hit multiple time but were not hurt. You can google this and watch footage of this going down. So darn. I wish there was some easy solution but as long as you have evil people in the world things will never change.

[Iowatech]

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Not sure how this keeps getting lost in translation, IF I were a criminal, I would at least be smart enough to break in when people were gone. Guns are worth more than tv's. The fact that you have a gun in your home, while you are away, means I am going to steal your gun. Unless you have a robot, or a dog that can use a gun, I would not be afraid. The farther you live out in the country, the less chance I will get caught. This is based on people I know who have had thier guns stolen. Not by me .

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I took that exactly as you said it. If you wish to pretend that you are a criminal, you should expect stuff like this.

[fixthecopier]

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I took that exactly as you said it. If you wish to pretend that you are a criminal, you should expect stuff like this.

My point was that a gun without a person is useless to prevent crime. However the sign I put in my front yard that reads "If you can read this sign, you have already been filmed" has made more than one shady looking car speed up and leave my cul de sac. Cameras work if you buy good ones and mount them at different levels and hide some of them.

As far as "pretending to be a criminal", when people are arrogant enough to think that they have all the answers from their perspective, that's when they screw up. Cops get their best intel from criminals and the military gets it's best from the enemy. When both sides make the same moves in chess, it becomes a stalemate and nobody wins.

[fixthecopier]

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That's weird, if you were a the run of the mill criminal, wouldn't you find it more productive to commit your crimes in places where the absence of firearms was assured? Seems to me that would be the easiest way to avoid getting shot while committing your crimes.

About two days ago within 2 miles of my house a neighbor came out to confront a guy taking stuff out of his neighbors home. The neighbor had a gun, and put the man on the ground. Problem was the second guy in the house. Neighbor didn't think like a cop and clear the home. Now the second guy comes out, surprises the neighbor, and they have a gun. The bad guys got to their car and drove off with the neighbor shooting at then.


Neighbor's lack of training could have got him killed, or if he would have hit one of then in the back while they were fleeing, and killed them, he could have been charged with a crime.

That said, I will admit that I would also confront guys robbing my neighbors home. Nothing like a 12 gauge with bird shot to cover a wide area.

[MR Bill]

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Maybe a good lesson learned there fixthecopier dude. The guys stealing from the neighbor might go home and see the bullet holes in there car and change there profession. I know I might be scared straight?

[fixthecopier]

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Maybe a good lesson learned there fixthecopier dude. The guys stealing from the neighbor might go home and see the bullet holes in there car and change there profession. I know I might be scared straight?

Good morning Mr. Bill, kind of early for the west coast.

Being shot at might scare them, or it might make them more careful, and the next good neighbor winds up getting shot. This is what really scares them. Monday evening my daughter noticed a blue Cruz slowing driving around, making several passes up and down the road. Tuesday after work, was at mother in laws, who lives about 100 yards down the road. She saw the same car that afternoon slowly going back and forth in front of her home. As she was getting ready to call the Sheriff, she saw the Sheriff suv coming down the road. The Cruz took off, the cop turned and went after him. It hasn't been back. Another neighbor had already called. Nosy neighbors and phones work really well.

[MR Bill]

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Real early. Pain in my hip still giving me problems. Up all night.

Block watch neighborhoods are good. Watch out for everyone.

OK, here is a story from my younger days. I only lived about 10 minutes from work. Came home for lunch. Kicked my shoes off and looked down the hallway and some guy is running from my bedroom into the kid bedroom. I have this dumb thought. I wonder who that is. Split second later it hit me. Thief. So I know he is going to jump out the bedroom window and I run to the sliding back door. He is running along the fence looking for a place to jump over. Our back yard had a 6 foot hi chain link fence with the sharp points sticking up. So he jumps over this fence with me right behind him. ( I had good hips back then ) the neighbor yard has lots of overgrown blackberry bushes 4 feet high. He is trying to jump over them but I tackled him into them. Scratched the hell out of us plus the spikes at the top of the fence kinda ripped your hand up. Anyway hall this guy back to my house a call 911. Well before the cops show up he pulls this Buck knife out and flashes it at me. Then runs off. He got away. So I start doing my own detective work a few day later and talking to the guy at the mini mart about what happened and he told me this guy a block up the road has lots of scratches all over his arms and is moving today. So I pull up to this place and sure enought this guy that was in my house was backing up so I got lincence #. Police arrested him the next day at a pawn shop. He was a suspect in over 300 robberys in the last 4 months. He had just got out of Monroe state prison. So back to the pen he went. I,m just glad that it was not my wife that walked in on him. Glad he didn't,t stabb me. I guess we all make up our mind on subjects based on our experience. I guess that,s why I have a CCW anymore.