Gun Control

[Coptech]

Re: Gun Control

These guys did not seem to be worried about the cameras.

I don't know the circumstances of this invasion and suspect there may have been criminal activity on both sides of this situation but it still shows that some criminals are determined enough that the video or presence of a homeowner is not a real concern for them.

I recall a "poetic justice" incident from years ago also. An old industrial business had been converted to a hobby shop with an indoor radio control race track. James had sectioned off an area for his store space and office. He paneled over some windows that had been "barred up". Thief take bolt cutters, cuts the bars over the windows, breaks glass, and kicks in paneling. He made it to about the middle of the store space before the alarm started wailing. He turned and made a dive back out the hole he had just created. By the looks of the blood running down the back of the building, he regretted leaving the spikes where he had cut the rebar. Police came and looked the scene over and later just had to arrest the guy in the emergency room with a bogus story about how he had "skewered himself" in an accident earlier that evening.

[Iowatech]

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My point was that a gun without a person is useless to prevent crime. However the sign I put in my front yard that reads "If you can read this sign, you have already been filmed" has made more than one shady looking car speed up and leave my cul de sac. Cameras work if you buy good ones and mount them at different levels and hide some of them.

As far as "pretending to be a criminal", when people are arrogant enough to think that they have all the answers from their perspective, that's when they screw up. Cops get their best intel from criminals and the military gets it's best from the enemy. When both sides make the same moves in chess, it becomes a stalemate and nobody wins.

Weirdest thing, intel. Good intel is extremely valuable, but it isn't always available when you have to make the big decisions and then live with the results no matter how hard everyone has tried.

[cccjjn]

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Can we at least all agree that if someone is captured and convicted with no doubt committing a robbery or murder with a gun that they be immediately executed? I'm talking people captured in the act or caught on surveillance camera committing a violent crime with a gun where there is absolutely no doubt of their guilt. These people should be executed within a week of a speedy trial. Funny thing about gun grabbers is that in most all cases they are against the death penalty.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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....it sounds like you and the Taliban think alike.

[slimslob]

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Can we at least all agree that if someone is captured and convicted with no doubt committing a robbery or murder with a gun that they be immediately executed? I'm talking people captured in the act or caught on surveillance camera committing a violent crime with a gun where there is absolutely no doubt of their guilt. These people should be executed within a week of a speedy trial. Funny thing about gun grabbers is that in most all cases they are against the death penalty.

Sounds like the 19th century American west. After the judge brought his gavel down and pronounced "I sentence you to be hanged by the neck until dead", two think started. The appeals process and the construction of the gallows. When the construction finished, so did the appeals. The sentence was carried out the next morning.

[cccjjn]

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Keep in mind here that I am talking specifically about cases where there is NO doubt as to the guilt of the person. Captured in the act or captured on camera committing the crime. There is no excuse to not have the death penalty for these individuals.

[Akitu]

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Keep in mind here that I am talking specifically about cases where there is NO doubt as to the guilt of the person. Captured in the act or captured on camera committing the crime. There is no excuse to not have the death penalty for these individuals.

Other than the whole "being the most intelligent species on the planet" and the whole "right to live" thing we have going on with the UN...

[cccjjn]

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You want to get a handle on the violence that is out there start by dishing out harsh punishment to those caught committing violent acts.

[Copier Addict]

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If punishment, capital or otherwise, was a deterrent to crime the prisons would not be as full as they are and there would be no one on death row.

[slimslob]

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If punishment, capital or otherwise, was a deterrent to crime the prisons would not be as full as they are and there would be no one on death row.

The reason the prisons are crowded is because there is no punishment. Most prisons now are more like resort hotels. Let go back to the days of fifteen hour a day making gravel from boulders with a sledge hammer.

[Phrag]

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System of a Down had a good song berating America's Prison system, aptly named 'Prison Song.' It's a good listen.

[fixthecopier]

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The reason the prisons are crowded is because there is no punishment. Most prisons now are more like resort hotels. Let go back to the days of fifteen hour a day making gravel from boulders with a sledge hammer.

I have to call bullshit on that one. Try watching a show called Lockup. But then again, I don't know what kind of resorts you stay at...

[CompyTech]

I serviced some copiers inside a prison once.. It was NOT a resort by any stretch of means..

[HenryT2]

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I happened upon this photo ; and it reminded me that our choice to have a gun , if we so desire, is brought about by the freedom that has been bestowed upon us by our great Founding Fathers and our past and present United States Military .


A Good Weapon ...... A Good Partner .......
Looks like a nice afternoon of just doing some target practice and enjoying each others' company .

Soldiers's Best Friend.jpg

[Akitu]

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I actually had a brilliant epiphany sparking from the video game debate here a few days/weeks ago...

The gun control issue is exactly like the violence in video games issue. There is a (board/government) that certifies who is able to purchase the product, and then there are those who are willing to circumvent it for the benefit of another (straw purchases for guns/mother purchasing M rated game for 8 year old child). You then have the majority who are able to use the product responsibly and then a select few who often have underlying mental issues unable to distinguish that their actions are utterly reprehensible. This minority gets a hold of the product and goes on a shooting spree, killing innocents; the knee-jerk reaction is (video games/gun registration).

Weird how the only common factor between the two seems to never get discussed...

My 2 cents for the day, anyone got 3 more? I want to buy some dubble bubble gum.