Give credit where it is due...

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

So, since this is a religious discussion, where do you stand? I think I have put my position on the table, so I will ask direct. Do you follow the teachings of Christ and give and help all who need it regardless of what you think of them, or are you as a lot of modern Christians I know who think that some people don't deserve help and have an bible quote to justify it. And the quote you posted, what does it mean to you?




― Mahatma Gandhi

"If the followers of Christ followed him with actions and not words, you wouldn't have to look for Jesus because you would see him everywhere." --fixthecopier

You see, the basic tenet of Christianity is FAITH & LOVE.
Sharing is the christian way of saying, ''I Love you''.
'Be generous and you will b prosperous. Help others and you will be helped.' [proverbs 11;25].
Any true Christian is raised up to know this fact. Putting it to practice becomes a matter of human strength or weakness. For as Jesus himself said, 'the spirit is willing BUT the body is weak'.

[fixthecopier]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

You see, the basic tenet of Christianity is FAITH & LOVE.
Sharing is the christian way of saying, ''I Love you''.
'Be generous and you will b prosperous. Help others and you will be helped.' [proverbs 11;25].
Any true Christian is raised up to know this fact. Putting it to practice becomes a matter of human strength or weakness. For as Jesus himself said, 'the spirit is willing BUT the body is weak'.

Dag, my point with that post was to bring out the hypocrisy of the Christian Right. In America the same party that says abortion is evil because life is precious, happens to be the same party that is trying everything they can to cut all forms of assistance to poor women and children. The same people who go to church every Sunday and do everything they can to stop abortion, really don't give a shit about the baby after it is born. Now based on the teachings of Jesus, should not the party of Christ be doing all they can to help the poor? Well you notice talking about that brought this thread to an end. Here is an example...

While discussing the looming sequestration on MSNBC, journalist David Cay Boyle Johnston slammed Republicans for supporting cuts to a federal program that provides food to the infants of poor mothers.




The sequester would cut 9.3 percent of WIC, resulting in hundreds of thousands of women and children losing access to the program. WIC provided aid to roughly 9 million Americans in 2012.
Republicans have previously proposed cutting $832 million from the nutrition program for low-income women and children, along with cuts to other food assistance programs.
The sequestration was part of a political deal to raise the federal debt ceiling in 2011. The across-the-board budget cuts to domestic and defense programs were intended to be so painful that Republicans and Democrats would be forced to compromise on a budget.

Raw Story (Journalist rips ‘pro-life’ Republicans for seeking to cut infant nutrition program | The Raw Story)




You see, If you look at party politics and what Jesus taught, well Jesus was a brown skinned liberal who railed against the rich and tried to help the poor. If he showed up on any small American Christian town preaching that stuff, they would run him off, call him a liberal and yell at him that he should go to church. Try as I might, I can't find any GOP Christians who can show me how their party's policies mirror the teachings of Christ. And the reason is , the GOP policies are the opposite of what Jesus taught and Dag, the Jesus you are referring to, is not the same one they pray to in America.

Anyone from America want to refute my claims???

And for any GOPer's still reading this, guess which liberal hippie made this speach...


Preacherlike, the president draws the crowd into a call-and-response. "Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver," he demands, "or less?"
The crowd, sounding every bit like the protesters from Occupy Wall Street, roars back: "MORE!"


Read more: How the GOP Became the Party of the Rich | Politics News | Rolling Stone
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Answer...Ronald Regan

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

Dear fixthecopier, you do raise very valid points and real concerns about the plight of the poor in your country. I totally agree with you that those who profess Christianity should 'walk- the-talk', other than 'talk-the -talk' only. I don't know much about the domestic politics of your country so I cannot express properly my political views, for that matter. However, since you refer to the Republican party as the 'party of Christ', trying to 'behave' contrary to the teaching of its founder...Jesus, Then I, as a christian, am obliged to make a few comments.
- You see, the 'mixture' of religion and politics is a very dangerous combination. It can almost tear the nation apart. In Biblical times, and the time of Jesus, the Jews had 3 main 'Religo-Political parties: The Pharisees, The Sadducees & the Essenes each vying to control & influence the affairs of the state and minds of the people. The Pharisees who were considered the authorized interpreters & custodians of the 'Law of Moses', suffered a great deal from Jesus' general condemnation of them. 'Listen to them BUT do not do as they do, for they do not PRACTICE what they preach', said Jesus, to the people.
- By referring to the Republican party as 'party of Christ', you remind me of the 'HEZBOLLAH' ....(Arabic for ''The PARTY OF GOD''), in Lebanon. And we all know what these Hezbollah have been doing in the 'name' of God. I wouldn't imagine one comparing this 'Party of Christ' to them, even in the remotest!
- I n my country here, the two main pre & post-Independence political parties that were formed to 'wrestle' independence from the British colonialism in the 1950s, were formed & operated along Sectarian Religious divide. These were: The 'Protestant -based ' Uganda People's Congress...(UPC), and The 'Catholic-based' Democratic Party...(DP). These two parties tended to tear the country apart along sectarianism after Independence .Thank God our country is now slowly moving away from that.
Jesus Himself said ''in His name '' many things will be done: some good, some bad. He said, 'You will JUDGE them by their ACTIONS. They may be practicing Christians...YES, but Christianity is much more than that, much more than any group of people.

[Chameleon]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

[QUOTE=fixthecopier;342934] You see, If you look at party politics and what Jesus taught, well Jesus was a brown skinned liberal who railed against the rich and tried to help the poor. If he showed up on any small American Christian town preaching that stuff, they would run him off, call him a liberal and yell at him that he should go to church. Try as I might, I can't find any GOP Christians who can show me how their party's policies mirror the teachings of Christ. And the reason is , the GOP policies are the opposite of what Jesus taught and Dag, the Jesus you are referring to, is not the same one they pray to in America.[/QUOTE]

(Amen!) I am no political expert and try to stay out of politics as much as I can, but I have to say your assesment is accurate. I think christianity suffers when it gets too close to one party, much like back in the day when Ikon was like some huge percent of Canon's business. If Ikon went under it would have taken Canon with it. I tend to argue with some church leaders who push poeple to vote based on 1 issue, abortion. My wife was showing me statistics on how under Obamas policies there were fewer abortions than under Bush. I try not to get too involved with politics though since I think I can do more good in my small circle of influence and point this out to church leaders.

[Iowatech]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

Dag, my point with that post was to bring out the hypocrisy of the Christian Right. In America the same party that says abortion is evil because life is precious, happens to be the same party that is trying everything they can to cut all forms of assistance to poor women and children. The same people who go to church every Sunday and do everything they can to stop abortion, really don't give a shit about the baby after it is born. Now based on the teachings of Jesus, should not the party of Christ be doing all they can to help the poor? Well you notice talking about that brought this thread to an end. Here is an example...

While discussing the looming sequestration on MSNBC, journalist David Cay Boyle Johnston slammed Republicans for supporting cuts to a federal program that provides food to the infants of poor mothers.




The sequester would cut 9.3 percent of WIC, resulting in hundreds of thousands of women and children losing access to the program. WIC provided aid to roughly 9 million Americans in 2012.
Republicans have previously proposed cutting $832 million from the nutrition program for low-income women and children, along with cuts to other food assistance programs.
The sequestration was part of a political deal to raise the federal debt ceiling in 2011. The across-the-board budget cuts to domestic and defense programs were intended to be so painful that Republicans and Democrats would be forced to compromise on a budget.

Raw Story ()




You see, If you look at party politics and what Jesus taught, well Jesus was a brown skinned liberal who railed against the rich and tried to help the poor. If he showed up on any small American Christian town preaching that stuff, they would run him off, call him a liberal and yell at him that he should go to church. Try as I might, I can't find any GOP Christians who can show me how their party's policies mirror the teachings of Christ. And the reason is , the GOP policies are the opposite of what Jesus taught and Dag, the Jesus you are referring to, is not the same one they pray to in America.

Anyone from America want to refute my claims???

And for any GOPer's still reading this, guess which liberal hippie made this speach...


Preacherlike, the president draws the crowd into a call-and-response. "Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver," he demands, "or less?"
The crowd, sounding every bit like the protesters from Occupy Wall Street, roars back: "MORE!"


Read more: How the GOP Became the Party of the Rich | Politics News | Rolling Stone
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

Answer...Ronald Regan

That's kind of what charity is for if you think about it, no need for government assistance when that works right. I've got payroll deduction for the United Way, what charities do you give to?

[Shadow1]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

My wife was showing me statistics on how under Obamas policies there were fewer abortions than under Bush. I try not to get too involved with politics though since I think I can do more good in my small circle of influence and point this out to church leaders.

As the Executive Vice-President of Pro-Life Mississippi, I can absolutely guarantee there is utterly no correlation between Obama's policies and the reduction in abortions. The trend has been downward for many years now, as people wake up and recognize they're killing a tiny human being. Obama has been pushing hard for federal funding of Planned Parenthood and the like, and has forced funding of abortion through Obamacare - doing everything he can to reverse the trend (yet another idiotic hypocritical contradiction - Planned Parenthood targets their clinics into primarily black and minority neighborhoods - to the tune of 80%+ just counting blacks in hispanics)

The church (and I mean REAL Christians, not churchians) are much more intelligent than the one issue mindset they've been accused of - it just so happens that life is the first right of any free human being, thus must be the most boldly protected. We also disagree with Obama on... well... just about everything. (Except Kanye West is a Jackass. Gotta give him that one)

[fixthecopier]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

[QUOTE=Chameleon;342965]

You see, If you look at party politics and what Jesus taught, well Jesus was a brown skinned liberal who railed against the rich and tried to help the poor. If he showed up on any small American Christian town preaching that stuff, they would run him off, call him a liberal and yell at him that he should go to church. Try as I might, I can't find any GOP Christians who can show me how their party's policies mirror the teachings of Christ. And the reason is , the GOP policies are the opposite of what Jesus taught and Dag, the Jesus you are referring to, is not the same one they pray to in America.[/QUOTE]

(Amen!) I am no political expert and try to stay out of politics as much as I can, but I have to say your assesment is accurate. I think christianity suffers when it gets too close to one party, much like back in the day when Ikon was like some huge percent of Canon's business. If Ikon went under it would have taken Canon with it. I tend to argue with some church leaders who push poeple to vote based on 1 issue, abortion. My wife was showing me statistics on how under Obamas policies there were fewer abortions than under Bush. I try not to get too involved with politics though since I think I can do more good in my small circle of influence and point this out to church leaders.

Yes she is correct. Your wife is wise to use facts and not the word of someone with an agenda...Here are some stats...


ANNUAL ABORTION STATISTICS

• In 2008, approximately 1.21 million abortions took place in the U.S., down from an estimated 1.29 million in 2002, 1.31 million in 2000 and 1.36 million in 1996. From 1973 through 2008, nearly 50 million legal abortions have occurred in the U.S. (AGI).
• In 2009, the highest number of reported abortions occurred in New York (119,996), Florida (81,918) and Texas (77,630); the fewest occurred in Wyoming (≤20), South Dakota (769) and North Dakota(1,290) (CDC).
• The 2009 abortion ratios by state ranged from a low of 57 abortions per 1,000 live births inMississippi (Wyoming had too few abortions for reliable tabulation) to a high of 713 abortions per 1,000 live births in NYC (CDC).
• The annual number of legal induced abortions in the United States doubled between 1973 and 1979, and peaked in 1990. There was a slow but steady decline through the 1990's. Overall, the number of annual abortions decreased by 6% between 2000 and 2009, with temporary spikes in 2002 and 2006 (CDC).
• The US abortion rate is similar to those of Australia, New Zealand, and Sweden but higher than those of other Western European countries (NAF).
• In 1998, the last year for which estimates were made, more than 23% of legal induced abortions were performed in California (CDC).
• In 2005, the abortion rate in the United States was higher than recent rates reported for Canadaand Western European countries and lower than rates reported for China, Cuba, the majority of Eastern European countries, and certain Newly Independent States of the former Soviet Union (CDC).
• Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended; about 4 in 10 of these are terminated by abortion. Twenty-two percent of all U.S. pregnancies end in abortion. (AGI).

Here is a fact about Planned Parenthood...


Home • Ask FactCheck • Planned Parenthood
Planned Parenthood

Posted on April 18, 2011


Q: How much of Planned Parenthood’s services are dedicated to abortions? Does the federal government fund those procedures?
A: Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law.
FULL ANSWER
We received several questions on this topic during the recent budget debate in Congress, after Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl claimed this month on the Senate floor that "well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does" is provide abortion services. That figure was wildly incorrect. Planned Parenthood says only 3 percent of its total services in 2009 were abortions. The other 97 percent of services were for contraception, treatment and tests for sexually transmitted diseases, cancer screenings, and other women’s health services.
Here’s a chart from a March 2011 fact sheet, which reported that the group performed about 11.4 million total services.

ABORTION AND TEEN PREGNANCY GO DOWN WHEN YOU TEACH SEX EDUCATION AND GIVE ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL...


U.S. teen birth rates fall to historic lows - CBS News...


New York City's Teen Pregnancy Rate Plummeted After High Schools Expanded Access To Plan B | ThinkProgress

http://www.tfn.org/site/PageNavigator/issues_religious_freedom_2013poll.html

[fixthecopier]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

As the Executive Vice-President of Pro-Life Mississippi, I can absolutely guarantee there is utterly no correlation between Obama's policies and the reduction in abortions. The trend has been downward for many years now, as people wake up and recognize they're killing a tiny human being. Obama has been pushing hard for federal funding of Planned Parenthood and the like, and has forced funding of abortion through Obamacare - doing everything he can to reverse the trend (yet another idiotic hypocritical contradiction - Planned Parenthood targets their clinics into primarily black and minority neighborhoods - to the tune of 80%+ just counting blacks in hispanics)

The church (and I mean REAL Christians, not churchians) are much more intelligent than the one issue mindset they've been accused of - it just so happens that life is the first right of any free human being, thus must be the most boldly protected. We also disagree with Obama on... well... just about everything. (Except Kanye West is a Jackass. Gotta give him that one)

Direct question for you Shadow1... If you disagree with Obama on everything, which political candidate do you support, and what policies does that candidate support that reflect the teachings of Christ?

2nd direct question for you... If "life is the first right of any free human being", do you and your church support programs that feed and ensure these new born little babies get proper health care? I am not talking about a little program your church sets up, but a program that covers everybody everywhere.

[fixthecopier]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

That's kind of what charity is for if you think about it, no need for government assistance when that works right. I've got payroll deduction for the United Way, what charities do you give to?

I have given to the United Way for 32 years, but a weekly deduction from my check does not take away the responsibility of being a human being and believing that tax money is better spent helping those who need help, than finding new ways to kill brown people.

Other things i have done would include the homeless shelters, food banks, giving tons of my stuff to sold at charities and auctions and giving my time and skills to various events.

And there is a need for government assistance because depending on private charities leaves too many suffering without assistance. We live in a society and have to look all over to make sure everyone is taken care of, not just our own backyards.

[Iowatech]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

I have given to the United Way for 32 years, but a weekly deduction from my check does not take away the responsibility of being a human being and believing that tax money is better spent helping those who need help, than finding new ways to kill brown people.

Other things i have done would include the homeless shelters, food banks, giving tons of my stuff to sold at charities and auctions and giving my time and skills to various events.

And there is a need for government assistance because depending on private charities leaves too many suffering without assistance. We live in a society and have to look all over to make sure everyone is taken care of, not just our own backyards.

And therein lies the problem - the government wasn't designed to do that and will never do that as well as charities will.

[Shadow1]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

Direct question for you Shadow1... If you disagree with Obama on everything, which political candidate do you support, and what policies does that candidate support that reflect the teachings of Christ?

2nd direct question for you... If "life is the first right of any free human being", do you and your church support programs that feed and ensure these new born little babies get proper health care? I am not talking about a little program your church sets up, but a program that covers everybody everywhere.

Candidate? None of them are really any good, but almost any of them are less bad than what we got now... but to answer your question I would have loved to been able to cast my vote for Cain. The liberals knew there was no way to beat a successful business man who knew what it would take to create jobs and had real life executive experience if the race card was thrown out of the equation - there is no way the allegations made against him should be taken seriously, and even if you did my answer is Hypocrite! - Monica Lewinsky.

In answer to your second question: My church is not "everywhere" but it does support the local and state community in any number of "social issue" type needs... as should all churches support THEIR local community in whatever way works in their area.

For example, we work with The Christmas Village which is a home for young pregnant women who have been put out on the street because they would not abort their baby. This ministry provides food and shelter to the mother during her pregnancy and for several months afterward. They also provide educational assistance for her to at least get her GED, Job training, resume and interview assistance, business appropriate attire, daycare, etc. The Christmas Village runs a bakery where all the mothers who are not otherwise employed are required to work in some area of the business - baker, cashier, accountant, delivery driver... whatever their particular skills allow for. The idea is that they gain some sort of job skills and a sense of providing for their child, rather than gaining or continuing with a welfare mentality.

My organization - Pro-Life Mississippi - does not provide any of these services directly, but works with other groups to get women whatever assistance they need. We are mainly an educational foundation, but it's not enough to teach people about the issue, unless you can help them live through the issue. In essence, we are the glue that binds things together.

In addition to these volunteer ministries, our state provides medicaid for needy mothers and children, just as all states do, but we also provide WIC which is an extension of SNAP (food stamps) specifically for pregnant women, infants, and young children. Once the family has exhausted their medicaid benefit (or disqualified themselves by getting a job) we have CHIP - Children's Health Insurance Program, which will provide health care similar to medicaid for the child up until they are 18 or until their family is in a position where they can do for themselves (It is a tiered benefit - if the mother's job offers health insurance, she is expected to take it, but CHIP still makes up the difference). Other state assistance programs are extended to underpriviliged mothers, but state law prohibits any taxpayer funds being used for abortion or related services - many of the benefits were extended at the same time the tax dollar restriction was passed.

DO NOT tell me we don't love both the mother and child either before or after birth. That is pro-abortion propaganda, and is a baldface lie.

[fixthecopier]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

Thanks for answering the questions Shadow1. I am sure at this point, you must think I am an ass, but this is an open thread about religion, and toes may get stepped on. No offence is intended. I try not to make assumptions about people, that is why I ask questions. I think you may see me as a "mad atheist" running around and trying to destroy religion, but quite the opposite is true. Living in the south and having lots of churches as customers, I get to visit and talk with deeply religious people almost everyday. If I am not at a church, I am always aware of the things I see on a persons desk or wall that tell me how much they believe, such as the bible verses written on the walls of the construction company where I was servicing a plotter yesterday. Truth is, these people seem to really love me, sometimes too much. Probably one of the most religious women I met fell in love with me, REALLY fell in love with me. Fortunately her copier rarley broke and I would try to avoid seeing her until she finally remarried last year, to a minister.

You see, I have never discussed religion with anyone on the job except a couple of coworkers at the shop. It never comes up, even when I am at a church. Last month after repairing a printer at a large church in town, the lady invited me to come to service, to which i politely declined, stating that I spend Sundays with my mother. I do not hate or verbally attack Christians. Some of the nicest, dearest people to me are very Christian, including my first wife mother, and my current wife's mother. My daughter, when she doesn't work likes to go to church with grandma and I would never try to discourage her from that.

But again this is a thread that turned religious in nature and all who step into it are fair game. Oddly enough, I was raised by a very conservative farm boy from the midwest, not a liberal hippie. My father left home when he was 16, had a recruiter alter his birth cert. and joined the army. Got out, couldn't find work, went back in for 20 more years. During the "Summer of Love", he was in Viet Nam starting up one of the first Armed Assault Helicopter Companies. Went to viet nam for two tours. This is one of the biggest reasons I believe Ted Nugent is a big giant dick. Not because of him dodging combat, but because of his total disrespect for those who have been by the way he talks about it. Out of all of the hundreds of people who I know who have actually been to combat, not one of them has ever talked about killing other humans as though it were a game or a good time, like this ass does. The only people I have ever met who talk like that are people who have never seen combat and they all disgust me.

After my father got out, he started his own business and ran it for 20 years. He was conservative to the bone, but could smell bullshit a mile away, and before he died he was so discusted by the GOP, he waited until he was able to vote for and see Obama elected before he died.

Another reason most people dislike Ted, is because he has the mentality of a 6 year old child throwing a tantrum and wanting attention. He does not seem to have the ability to communicate and get his point across so he gets angry and yells out outrageous things ... 20 Inflammatory Comments From State Of The Union Invitee Ted Nugent | Research | Media Matters for America


As far as your choice for president, thanks for sharing. I do not feel that a man would be a job creator because he ran an already running business for a short while. He wasn't defeated because of media bias, he was out because his ideas couldn't hold water. Business do not add jobs because they get tax breaks, they add jobs because there is an increased demand for their goods and services. When you cut peoples wages and benefits they quit spending money. Almost every month you read how big business is slashing thousands of jobs to make the company more profitable. I do not see the logic in supporting candidates who say they will make unemployment go down by firing thousands of government workers.

As far as your charity work, good for you. We don't have an issue with women being put on the street for not having abortions here, must be a regional thing. Last I read, your state only had 1 clinic open, when it closes will your work be done, or do you feel your people have the right to influence other states?

Since some of my earlier post have mentioned the GOP trying to slash things like WIC and Medicaid and you stated you use these to help people, what is your opinion on that.


So, I hope my postings do not offend you, but the fact that you respond indicates that you want to participate. I may state things that push buttons, but it sure keeps the conversation going, and being challenged to defend what you believe in just makes you sharper and more wise. If you don't use it , you lose it.

[fixthecopier]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

And therein lies the problem - the government wasn't designed to do that and will never do that as well as charities will.

Sorry to disagree, but depending on private donations to keep people from going hungry is not the best decision. If my country can spend billions on weapons that will never be used, no one should do without. As far as the issue as to weather the government can distribute benefits effectively, just ask the millions of people who have got them for decades as federal workers, soldiers, cops etc.

Also the design of our government is constantly changing, just ask the corporate lobbyist who run it.

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

Dag, my point with that post was to bring out the hypocrisy of the Christian Right. In America the same party that says abortion is evil because life is precious, happens to be the same party that is trying everything they can to cut all forms of assistance to poor women and children. The same people who go to church every Sunday and do everything they can to stop abortion, really don't give a shit about the baby after it is born. Now based on the teachings of Jesus, should not the party of Christ be doing all they can to help the poor? Well you notice talking about that brought this thread to an end. Here is an example...

While discussing the looming sequestration on MSNBC, journalist David Cay Boyle Johnston slammed Republicans for supporting cuts to a federal program that provides food to the infants of poor mothers.
“Six hundred thousand pregnant women and mothers of small children will be cut from the [Women, Infants and Children (WIC) nutrition program],” he said. “The Republicans are always telling us about their reverence for life. Really? They are going to have 600,000 poor women and children not have proper food.”
“There is a lifetime effect on development, especially mental development, if you don’t have proper nutrition in the womb and when you’re an infant, but they are determined to cut those poor children — who are helpless — out of good nutrition.”


The sequester would cut 9.3 percent of WIC, resulting in hundreds of thousands of women and children losing access to the program. WIC provided aid to roughly 9 million Americans in 2012.
Republicans have previously proposed cutting $832 million from the nutrition program for low-income women and children, along with cuts to other food assistance programs.
The sequestration was part of a political deal to raise the federal debt ceiling in 2011. The across-the-board budget cuts to domestic and defense programs were intended to be so painful that Republicans and Democrats would be forced to compromise on a budget.

Raw Story (Journalist rips ‘pro-life’ Republicans for seeking to cut infant nutrition program | The Raw Story)




You see, If you look at party politics and what Jesus taught, well Jesus was a brown skinned liberal who railed against the rich and tried to help the poor. If he showed up on any small American Christian town preaching that stuff, they would run him off, call him a liberal and yell at him that he should go to church. Try as I might, I can't find any GOP Christians who can show me how their party's policies mirror the teachings of Christ. And the reason is , the GOP policies are the opposite of what Jesus taught and Dag, the Jesus you are referring to, is not the same one they pray to in America.

Anyone from America want to refute my claims???

And for any GOPer's still reading this, guess which liberal hippie made this speach...

The nation is still recovering from a crushing recession that sent unemployment hovering above nine percent for two straight years. The president, mindful of soaring deficits, is pushing bold action to shore up the nation's balance sheet. Cloaking himself in the language of class warfare, he calls on a hostile Congress to end wasteful tax breaks for the rich. "We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share," he thunders to a crowd in Georgia. Such tax loopholes, he adds, "sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary – and that's crazy."
Preacherlike, the president draws the crowd into a call-and-response. "Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver," he demands, "or less?"
The crowd, sounding every bit like the protesters from Occupy Wall Street, roars back: "MORE!"


Read more: How the GOP Became the Party of the Rich | Politics News | Rolling Stone
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Answer...Ronald Regan

Dear fix, lest I forget, can you kindly elaborate on this statement of yours in the above post: '' And Dag, THE JESUS YOU ARE REFERRING TO, IS NOT THE SAME ONE THEY PRAY TO IN AMERICA". 'Anyone from America want to refute my claims?'.

- OK, I admit I haven't yet been to America, but we do interact with some of the American citizens here, as well as viewing those Televangelists on our TV screens here. We do also attend some of their crusades whenever they bring it here, BUT we have never 'seen' or heard them preaching or teaching a 'different' JESUS than the 'one' we have known all along. I have some close relatives who live in various states in the U.S, and they regularly visit us here at least once a year. They are devoted Christians & members of their local churches there in the U.S.A, They have never at anyone time of their stay & interaction with us here INSINUATED to us that, 'The Jesus they pray to there is different from the one we pray to here'.
- So, I would be grateful Sir, if you can throw some light on this statement. It would also if true, enable me to 'put' these cousins of mine,(living in diaspora), 'to task' to explain, whenever they come here for their annual visits.
- However, I wish to thank for interacting positively with the Christians there in your community, And for allowing your daughter to KNOW Jesus, by allowing her to attend church services with her grandma.

[Chameleon]

Re: Give credit where it is due...

, 'The Jesus they pray to there is different from the one we pray to here'.
- So, I would be grateful Sir, if you can throw some light on this statement.

I think we are all praying to the same Jesus, it's just that what people say and what they do don't always line up. In America, that gap between what we say and what we do can unfortunately get pretty big, with some christians.