Re: Give credit where it is due...
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Thanks for answering the questions Shadow1. I am sure at this point, you must think I am an ass, but this is an open thread about religion, and toes may get stepped on. No offence is intended. I try not to make assumptions about people, that is why I ask questions. I think you may see me as a "mad atheist" running around and trying to destroy religion, but quite the opposite is true. Living in the south and having lots of churches as customers, I get to visit and talk with deeply religious people almost everyday. If I am not at a church, I am always aware of the things I see on a persons desk or wall that tell me how much they believe, such as the bible verses written on the walls of the construction company where I was servicing a plotter yesterday. Truth is, these people seem to really love me, sometimes too much. Probably one of the most religious women I met fell in love with me, REALLY fell in love with me. Fortunately her copier rarley broke and I would try to avoid seeing her until she finally remarried last year, to a minister.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Perhaps that's a bit harsh, so let's say ignorance. I don't get offended easily, I just assume a lack of understanding, and I'm prepared to debate any of my positions - we both learn things in the process. I can't just say "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" because while that is true enough, the truth will still make sense even if you don't mention God when you say it. Sometimes the fun part is in exploring the truth from that perspective and understanding it well enough from a different angle to debate it with someone else.
You see, I have never discussed religion with anyone on the job except a couple of coworkers at the shop. It never comes up, even when I am at a church. Last month after repairing a printer at a large church in town, the lady invited me to come to service, to which i politely declined, stating that I spend Sundays with my mother. I do not hate or verbally attack Christians. Some of the nicest, dearest people to me are very Christian, including my first wife mother, and my current wife's mother. My daughter, when she doesn't work likes to go to church with grandma and I would never try to discourage her from that.
But again this is a thread that turned religious in nature and all who step into it are fair game. Oddly enough, I was raised by a very conservative farm boy from the midwest, not a liberal hippie. My father left home when he was 16, had a recruiter alter his birth cert. and joined the army. Got out, couldn't find work, went back in for 20 more years. During the "Summer of Love", he was in Viet Nam starting up one of the first Armed Assault Helicopter Companies. Went to viet nam for two tours. This is one of the biggest reasons I believe Ted Nugent is a big giant dick. Not because of him dodging combat, but because of his total disrespect for those who have been by the way he talks about it. Out of all of the hundreds of people who I know who have actually been to combat, not one of them has ever talked about killing other humans as though it were a game or a good time, like this ass does. The only people I have ever met who talk like that are people who have never seen combat and they all disgust me.
Separate the people from their policies, and the good from the bad - As is the title of this thread: Give credit where it is due... I don't have to like Ted Nugent, nor do I have to like everything he does, but I do like some of the things he has to say, and in this case, the way he says it.
After my father got out, he started his own business and ran it for 20 years. He was conservative to the bone, but could smell bullshit a mile away, and before he died he was so discusted by the GOP, he waited until he was able to vote for and see Obama elected before he died.
Yes, I'm disgusted by some of the (R) policies, but I'm even more disgusted, by a much larger percentage of the (D) policies. Politics is a very accurate word if you break it down: "Poly" meaning many, and "Tics" which are blood sucking parasites.
Another reason most people dislike Ted, is because he has the mentality of a 6 year old child throwing a tantrum and wanting attention. He does not seem to have the ability to communicate and get his point across so he gets angry and yells out outrageous things ... 20 Inflammatory Comments From State Of The Union Invitee Ted Nugent | Research | Media Matters for America
As far as your choice for president, thanks for sharing. I do not feel that a man would be a job creator because he ran an already running business for a short while. He wasn't defeated because of media bias, he was out because his ideas couldn't hold water. Business do not add jobs because they get tax breaks, they add jobs because there is an increased demand for their goods and services. When you cut peoples wages and benefits they quit spending money. Almost every month you read how big business is slashing thousands of jobs to make the company more profitable. I do not see the logic in supporting candidates who say they will make unemployment go down by firing thousands of government workers.
Government has much less ability to create jobs than it has to destroy them. Let me add to that, by saying anything done by the government will cost far more than an equivalent job done by the private sector. And again by saying that government cannot give anything that it didn't take away somewhere else. It's like trying to deepen the shallow end of a pool by pulling a bucket of water out of the deep end and pouring it back in on the other side - the only thing you accomplish is making the whole pool shallower when you spill some water in the process. The best thing Government can do to improve our economy is stay the hell out of the way. It's all the meddling by and for certain groups that has created a lot of the problems - there needs to be one set of rules for everybody. Conservatives believe in equal opportunity - Liberals believe in equal outcomes. Yes, luck is a factor, but I get a lot luckier when I work harder and take advantage of my opportunities.
As far as your charity work, good for you. We don't have an issue with women being put on the street for not having abortions here, must be a regional thing. Last I read, your state only had 1 clinic open, when it closes will your work be done, or do you feel your people have the right to influence other states?
You have a bigger problem than you realize with women being put out for not having an abortion, because many of them cave to the pressure, or especially in the case of underage girls they aren't given a choice, and don't know they have any options. True Mississippi only has 1 freestanding abortion clinic left, but even after it closes there is still much work to be done. We must ensure a new one does not open up to take it's place, and the best way to do that is educating people about the perceived need for abortion. We are involved with youth groups and abstinence education, we promote adoption, personal accountability, responsible fathers, and assistance to women and children who really do need it. There's plenty of work for us to do once abortion ends in Mississippi, just in making sure there are no excuses for anyone to think it should return.
Since some of my earlier post have mentioned the GOP trying to slash things like WIC and Medicaid and you stated you use these to help people, what is your opinion on that.
As a society we do need to have safety nets. Most of the arguments come about over the most effective means of accomplishing that, and at what point the safety net becomes a way of life. At one point in my life I lost my job while my wife was 7 months pregnant with our 1st - I needed the safety nets, and I'm glad they were there, but I also got back on my feet as soon as I could. There's too many people who hit the net and stay there. I don't question that there are people who will never be able to get completely out of the system - people with disabilities for example. I think it goes without saying that there are people who can't support themselves and they need assistance, but we need to kick out the ones who won't support themselves before they topple the whole house of cards we've created.
So, I hope my postings do not offend you, but the fact that you respond indicates that you want to participate. I may state things that push buttons, but it sure keeps the conversation going, and being challenged to defend what you believe in just makes you sharper and more wise. If you don't use it , you lose it.
Agreed. We're not so different in some regards.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Perhaps that's a bit harsh, so let's say ignorance. I don't get offended easily, I just assume a lack of understanding, and I'm prepared to debate any of my positions - we both learn things in the process. I can't just say "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" because while that is true enough, the truth will still make sense even if you don't mention God when you say it. Sometimes the fun part is in exploring the truth from that perspective and understanding it well enough from a different angle to debate it with someone else.
You see, I have never discussed religion with anyone on the job except a couple of coworkers at the shop. It never comes up, even when I am at a church. Last month after repairing a printer at a large church in town, the lady invited me to come to service, to which i politely declined, stating that I spend Sundays with my mother. I do not hate or verbally attack Christians. Some of the nicest, dearest people to me are very Christian, including my first wife mother, and my current wife's mother. My daughter, when she doesn't work likes to go to church with grandma and I would never try to discourage her from that.
But again this is a thread that turned religious in nature and all who step into it are fair game. Oddly enough, I was raised by a very conservative farm boy from the midwest, not a liberal hippie. My father left home when he was 16, had a recruiter alter his birth cert. and joined the army. Got out, couldn't find work, went back in for 20 more years. During the "Summer of Love", he was in Viet Nam starting up one of the first Armed Assault Helicopter Companies. Went to viet nam for two tours. This is one of the biggest reasons I believe Ted Nugent is a big giant dick. Not because of him dodging combat, but because of his total disrespect for those who have been by the way he talks about it. Out of all of the hundreds of people who I know who have actually been to combat, not one of them has ever talked about killing other humans as though it were a game or a good time, like this ass does. The only people I have ever met who talk like that are people who have never seen combat and they all disgust me.
Separate the people from their policies, and the good from the bad - As is the title of this thread: Give credit where it is due... I don't have to like Ted Nugent, nor do I have to like everything he does, but I do like some of the things he has to say, and in this case, the way he says it.
After my father got out, he started his own business and ran it for 20 years. He was conservative to the bone, but could smell bullshit a mile away, and before he died he was so discusted by the GOP, he waited until he was able to vote for and see Obama elected before he died.
Yes, I'm disgusted by some of the (R) policies, but I'm even more disgusted, by a much larger percentage of the (D) policies. Politics is a very accurate word if you break it down: "Poly" meaning many, and "Tics" which are blood sucking parasites.
Another reason most people dislike Ted, is because he has the mentality of a 6 year old child throwing a tantrum and wanting attention. He does not seem to have the ability to communicate and get his point across so he gets angry and yells out outrageous things ... 20 Inflammatory Comments From State Of The Union Invitee Ted Nugent | Research | Media Matters for America
As far as your choice for president, thanks for sharing. I do not feel that a man would be a job creator because he ran an already running business for a short while. He wasn't defeated because of media bias, he was out because his ideas couldn't hold water. Business do not add jobs because they get tax breaks, they add jobs because there is an increased demand for their goods and services. When you cut peoples wages and benefits they quit spending money. Almost every month you read how big business is slashing thousands of jobs to make the company more profitable. I do not see the logic in supporting candidates who say they will make unemployment go down by firing thousands of government workers.
Government has much less ability to create jobs than it has to destroy them. Let me add to that, by saying anything done by the government will cost far more than an equivalent job done by the private sector. And again by saying that government cannot give anything that it didn't take away somewhere else. It's like trying to deepen the shallow end of a pool by pulling a bucket of water out of the deep end and pouring it back in on the other side - the only thing you accomplish is making the whole pool shallower when you spill some water in the process. The best thing Government can do to improve our economy is stay the hell out of the way. It's all the meddling by and for certain groups that has created a lot of the problems - there needs to be one set of rules for everybody. Conservatives believe in equal opportunity - Liberals believe in equal outcomes. Yes, luck is a factor, but I get a lot luckier when I work harder and take advantage of my opportunities.
As far as your charity work, good for you. We don't have an issue with women being put on the street for not having abortions here, must be a regional thing. Last I read, your state only had 1 clinic open, when it closes will your work be done, or do you feel your people have the right to influence other states?
You have a bigger problem than you realize with women being put out for not having an abortion, because many of them cave to the pressure, or especially in the case of underage girls they aren't given a choice, and don't know they have any options. True Mississippi only has 1 freestanding abortion clinic left, but even after it closes there is still much work to be done. We must ensure a new one does not open up to take it's place, and the best way to do that is educating people about the perceived need for abortion. We are involved with youth groups and abstinence education, we promote adoption, personal accountability, responsible fathers, and assistance to women and children who really do need it. There's plenty of work for us to do once abortion ends in Mississippi, just in making sure there are no excuses for anyone to think it should return.
Since some of my earlier post have mentioned the GOP trying to slash things like WIC and Medicaid and you stated you use these to help people, what is your opinion on that.
As a society we do need to have safety nets. Most of the arguments come about over the most effective means of accomplishing that, and at what point the safety net becomes a way of life. At one point in my life I lost my job while my wife was 7 months pregnant with our 1st - I needed the safety nets, and I'm glad they were there, but I also got back on my feet as soon as I could. There's too many people who hit the net and stay there. I don't question that there are people who will never be able to get completely out of the system - people with disabilities for example. I think it goes without saying that there are people who can't support themselves and they need assistance, but we need to kick out the ones who won't support themselves before they topple the whole house of cards we've created.
So, I hope my postings do not offend you, but the fact that you respond indicates that you want to participate. I may state things that push buttons, but it sure keeps the conversation going, and being challenged to defend what you believe in just makes you sharper and more wise. If you don't use it , you lose it.
Agreed. We're not so different in some regards.
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