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  • kikinkuntry
    Certifiable technician
    • Mar 2013
    • 27

    #1

    [Annoying] Beta testing firmware on technicians!

    A certain very large very prominent copier manufacturer, has recently pushed out a technician only firmware upgrade, On that one-year-old product that was launched with far too many bugs to begin with! That firmware upgrade, broke scanning PDF, required a system wipe to install, and was pulled 3 days after launch. Anyone else get annoyed when manufacturers do this kind of thing?
    Last edited by kikinkuntry; 12-24-2013, 08:41 PM. Reason: To clarify intent
    I'd be happy to come out and wipe off your dirty glass. One question however, do you also pay someone to come out and wipe your dirty ...
  • Eric1968
    Service Manager

    1,000+ Posts
    • Jan 2009
    • 2458

    #2
    Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

    And what manufacturer are we talking about? Which model? Which firmware and which version? This post is quiet useless if don't mention the manufacturer...

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    • kikinkuntry
      Certifiable technician
      • Mar 2013
      • 27

      #3
      Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

      Originally posted by Eric1968
      And what manufacturer are we talking about? What model? Which firmware and which version? This post is quiet useless if don't mention the manufacturer...
      It's a general statement about manufacturers, doing things like this to technicians. It's also a rant, not meant to be informational.
      I'd be happy to come out and wipe off your dirty glass. One question however, do you also pay someone to come out and wipe your dirty ...

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      • blackcat4866
        Master Of The Obvious

        Site Contributor
        10,000+ Posts
        • Jul 2007
        • 22996

        #4
        Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

        It's only informational if it applies to a specific manufacturer, product, or model.

        I know of similar situations myself, but without the details, it's just baseless whining. Ok, so let's hear the rest.
        =^..^=
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • Eric1968
          Service Manager

          1,000+ Posts
          • Jan 2009
          • 2458

          #5
          Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

          If it's technician only, you shouldn't load that firmware on customers' machines. Kyocera also has firmware "for KM Internal Use". This firmware is for testing purposes and is not intended for use with customers'machines.

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          • kikinkuntry
            Certifiable technician
            • Mar 2013
            • 27

            #6
            Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

            Originally posted by Eric1968
            If it's technician only, you shouldn't load that firmware on customers' machines. Kyocera also has firmware "for KM Internal Use". This firmware is for testing purposes and is not intended for use with customers'machines.
            It was intended only to be used for customers who have a specific subset of problems. However it created other problems once installed.
            I'd be happy to come out and wipe off your dirty glass. One question however, do you also pay someone to come out and wipe your dirty ...

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            • kikinkuntry
              Certifiable technician
              • Mar 2013
              • 27

              #7
              Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

              Originally posted by blackcat4866
              It's only informational if it applies to a specific manufacturer, product, or model.

              I know of similar situations myself, but without the details, it's just baseless whining. Ok, so let's hear the rest.
              =^..^=
              From Merriam-Webster dictionary online
              Rant verb \ˈrant\
              : to talk loudly and in a way that shows anger : to complain in a way that is unreasonable

              Whining is simply another word for ranting, so by definition I'm doing exactly what this particular section of the forum is intended for. I'm not trying to throw this manufacture under the bus, specifically because I enjoy employment. But they aren't the only culprits.
              I'd be happy to come out and wipe off your dirty glass. One question however, do you also pay someone to come out and wipe your dirty ...

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              • Tonerbomb
                AutoMajical Resolutionist

                Site Contributor
                2,500+ Posts
                • Feb 2005
                • 2589

                #8
                Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

                Had something kinda like that a few years back. Customer had a Ricoh 2045 that "jammed all the time". They ran 1 particular job several times a day where they copied on to paper from the bypass using the adf. After verifing it and trying to resolve it, I called the regional TSM. He had heard of , new about frimwar for it but I couldn't get from Ricoh myself. The TSM had to get the frimwar and send it to me. what BS....
                Mystic Crystal Revelations

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                • Akitu
                  Legendary Frost Spec Tech

                  Site Contributor
                  2,500+ Posts
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 2595

                  #9
                  Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

                  I had to have custom firmware from Sharp done up to bring SSL support to the MX3501/4501, oddly enough they put it in standard firmware for the MX2300/2700 but not its big sister series.

                  Tested it on 3 in my shop before going out to customer, not sure what the problem is - if it's for internal use or technician use only, don't put it on a customer's machine until you know it works. Problem solved?
                  Cthulhu for president! Why settle for the lesser evil?

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                  • blackcat4866
                    Master Of The Obvious

                    Site Contributor
                    10,000+ Posts
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 22996

                    #10
                    Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

                    In my experience, any firmware is a 50/50 proposition. Will it fix a bug? Will it create a bug? One of each? Will the created bug be worse than the fixed bug?

                    Each situation is unique. For example I had a print driver for a Copystar CS-C4035E with a truly obscure bug. When printing from Microsoft Publisher 2003, using booklet mode, the output printed pages were in the wrong order. Only one enduser ever noticed, in which I downgraded the driver. Though I could reproduce the bug at will, it rarely came up, and I had no problem using this driver.

                    Here's my opinion: no firmware or software is totally bug free, so I'm happy when there are no glaring faults. =^..^=
                    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                    • slimslob
                      Retired

                      Site Contributor
                      25,000+ Posts
                      • May 2013
                      • 37240

                      #11
                      Re: Beta testing firmware on technicians!

                      Originally posted by blackcat4866
                      In my experience, any firmware is a 50/50 proposition. Will it fix a bug? Will it create a bug? One of each? Will the created bug be worse than the fixed bug?

                      Each situation is unique. For example I had a print driver for a Copystar CS-C4035E with a truly obscure bug. When printing from Microsoft Publisher 2003, using booklet mode, the output printed pages were in the wrong order. Only one enduser ever noticed, in which I downgraded the driver. Though I could reproduce the bug at will, it rarely came up, and I had no problem using this driver.

                      Here's my opinion: no firmware or software is totally bug free, so I'm happy when there are no glaring faults. =^..^=
                      Another example are the Ricoh MP Cxx03 machines. For a while it seemed like firmware updates were coming out almost daily. Keeping up with them so you had the latest firmware was a pain.

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