Manufacturers Logic

[Tricky]

Or lack of

Had to do a pm on a Kyocera Km 4550ci.
I looked for the cassette tyres since they dont usually come in the PM Kits.

While browsing the parts list i noticed The KM 4550 takes different tyres from the 3550 series which is a bit unusual.
The 4550 has three tyres per tray all the same parts number, one good point, order six and your done for the basic machine
The KM3550 has different tyres, ie 2xPickup 2xFeed 2Xretard or so they call it.

The additional paper cassette a PF730 has different tyres again 2XFeed 2Pickup 2retard.

The bad point regarding the PF 730 is the tyres all look pretty similar and if they are supplied loose ie not in a sealed bag with the part number on its not clear which tyre goes where.

Another irritating point was the fact the pickup assemblies are different on the machine as opposed to the paper trays.

All in all about 4 megatives and one positive.



I work mainly on Canon and they have had three tyres that havent changed part numbers in years you have a black tyre, a grey tyre and a small grey tyre, also the pickup assemblies are all interchangeable between the machine and the optional casettes.

Why complicate things so much?

[Hansoon]

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Why complicate things so much?

The design department was in need of some work to show that they are crucial and indispensable?

Hans

[Iowatech]

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It could be a patent issue.
Sometimes that can be a good thing. Other times it can be silly. I guess that's just the way it goes.

[fixthecopier]

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Anyone who works on HP knows that is bullshit designing. Been using the same feed and sep rollers on HP printers for a decade now.

[Tonerbomb]

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What, say it's not so........skynet you put manufacturers and logic in the same statement............impossible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gwaddle]

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I am of the belief that when a new machine is designed, they have at least six engineers working on the design who never talk to each other.

[HenryT2]

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While browsing the parts list i noticed The KM 4550 takes different tyres from the 3550 series which is a bit unusual.
The 4550 has three tyres per tray all the same parts number, one good point, order six and your done for the basic machine
The KM3550 has different tyres, ie 2xPickup 2xFeed 2Xretard or so they call it.

The additional paper cassette a PF730 has different tyres again 2XFeed 2Pickup 2retard.

Why complicate things so much?

It's not really complicated ..... the engineers have cousins that work in different factories. Each cousin needed more profits for their companies ; therefore ; different parts ( that do the same thing ) for different machines .

[Lagonda]

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Remember that slack tech who couldn't fault find and was incapable of servicing a machine properly? Remember how glad you were when the company finally got rid of him? Well guess where he ended up!

[Kidaver]

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I quit trying to remember what exact feed rollers go in any of the new taskalfa that I just take a bunch of all of them

[blackcat4866]

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...

All in all about 4 megatives and one positive.

...

Is a megative ... mega-negative? I call these combinyms. =^..^=

[Iowatech]

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I quit trying to remember what exact feed rollers go in any of the new taskalfa that I just take a bunch of all of them

Something like that happened to me with Ricoh Document feeder feed belts and sep rollers, but after a while it turned out that all I needed to carry were two different types of feed belts and one type of sep roller for the vast majority of machines that I work on. Guess I lucked out there.

[JR2ALTA]

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Is the hub of the roller keyed different? If not, experiment. With Konica, we're retro-fitting 5 year old machines with their new rollers. They fit, they work, done.

[Tricky]

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It could be a patent issue.
Sometimes that can be a good thing. Other times it can be silly. I guess that's just the way it goes.

Maybe, but going back a few years Kyocera had the 250/300ci models and these had a pickup assembly held in with one screw and it was obvious which tyres went where. Also if the machine had a PF720 paper cassette all four pickups were the same and all feed/sep/retard tyres the same also.

However thats an old model and my rant is about a newer model and this is progress?

[NeoMatrix]

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I am of the belief that when a new machine is designed, they have at least six engineers working on the design who never talk to each other.

Your probably not going to beileve this, but most manufactures seek new ideas and design concepts.To be able to get fresh ideas they employ younger engineers straight out of university.The younger people are not limited by past success or failures.

The manufacturer throws a set of model outline or concept designs at the new engineers,along with a box full of standard parts, an instructs them to design a new copier,fax,printer phone system what ever.

So now you can begin to understand why a successful copier design is not duplicated in the following series....

[Iowatech]

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Maybe, but going back a few years Kyocera had the 250/300ci models and these had a pickup assembly held in with one screw and it was obvious which tyres went where. Also if the machine had a PF720 paper cassette all four pickups were the same and all feed/sep/retard tyres the same also.

However thats an old model and my rant is about a newer model and this is progress?

I suppose if you put it that way, no.
Still, I thought 3M had a hit with the M516AG model, and also that Canofile was going to replace microfilm. I guess maybe I've seen enough good ideas go into the scrapheap of time that I've gotten used to toughing it out when the newer stuff that I encounter looks really stupid. For me, more often than not it gets better after a while, or at least I learn how to use it to my advantage.
I'll just shut up and go away now.