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  • Hansoon
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    • Sep 2007
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    Scan1

    Since the early days of scanning with MFP's I'm using Scan-FTP for my customers and am very happy with it. No hassle with MS updates, old SMB protocols etc. Unfortunately there are some IT-Blokes who insist on not having an FTP-Server running on their systems so the alternative would be Scan-SMB which too often becomes dysfunctional after certain software updates or other obscure reasons and when this happens "Customer feels its always the machine". Another alternative would be scan-E-Mail which is not much liked by our customers for what reason ever and myself too since I would need their SMTP credentials which could have its own headaches.

    Another possibility would be Scan-Box to the local hard drive in the MFP. I'm not sure but seem to remember that - at least for KonicaMinolta which is my main brand - it is rather clumsy and one cannot explore the scanfolder directly in the network but only through PageScope-"something" or so.

    My idea is to get for those machines where Scan-FTP is unwanted, a cheap NAS instead. Sticking it to the back of the machine with Velcron and do the scans directly to the NAS with either Scan-FTP or perhaps SMB.

    Do you guys have experience with this set up and can you give advice for a cheap NAS? Any Con's?

    Thanks

    Hans
    " Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0 "
  • bsm2
    IT Manager

    25,000+ Posts
    • Feb 2008
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    #2
    Re: Scan1

    Only seen 2 NAS customers, setup was same as SMB scanning. Was not impressed with them as they may fail also unless they backup to a cloud. Windows 10 I always use FTP , SMB too many changes from MS updates. FTP always works

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    • dickierock
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      • Jan 2010
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      #3
      Re: Scan1

      Originally posted by bsm2
      Only seen 2 NAS customers, setup was same as SMB scanning. Was not impressed with them as they may fail also unless they backup to a cloud. Windows 10 I always use FTP , SMB too many changes from MS updates. FTP always works
      H BSM2i,
      Can you recommend FTP software you use?
      Thanks.

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      • bsm2
        IT Manager

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        • Feb 2008
        • 27454

        #4
        Re: Scan1

        Originally posted by dickierock
        H BSM2i,
        Can you recommend FTP software you use?
        Thanks.
        I use filezilla server

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        • Hansoon
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          #5
          Re: Scan1

          We use since long Quick 'n Easy FTP-Lite

          Quick 'n Easy FTP Server Lite

          Link at the bottom of that page.

          Very easy to set up and there's a log showing exactly the traffic thereby making diagnostics easy.

          Hans
          " Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0 "

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          • tsbservice
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            • May 2007
            • 7635

            #6
            Re: Scan1

            FTP and old SMB versions are considered by many ITs as vulnerable. There are some ways:
            -NeoMatrix posted one of them here - A little fyi for those with scan to smb issues with smb1 disabled
            -Setup scan to Box on KonicaMinoltas
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            • srvctec
              Former KM Senior Tech

              500+ Posts
              • Oct 2009
              • 827

              #7
              Re: Scan1

              Originally posted by Hansoon

              Another possibility would be Scan-Box to the local hard drive in the MFP. I'm not sure but seem to remember that - at least for KonicaMinolta which is my main brand - it is rather clumsy and one cannot explore the scanfolder directly in the network but only through PageScope-"something" or so.
              Actually, Pagescope Box Operator works pretty well and is our go-to whenever all the other issues you mentioned come to light. Just install the program the PCs and connect to the device and that's it. You can browse the boxes just like in Windows Explorer. There is one extra click to get to the box vs. just clicking on a shortcut to an SMB folder but other than that, works great. Of course, the customer can move the files from the box to wherever they wish on their PC by just by drag/drop or using the right-click menu.
              Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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              • Edward
                Technician
                • May 2019
                • 32

                #8
                Re: Scan1

                Originally posted by Hansoon
                Since the early days of scanning with MFP's I'm using Scan-FTP for my customers and am very happy with it. No hassle with MS updates, old SMB protocols etc. Unfortunately there are some IT-Blokes who insist on not having an FTP-Server running on their systems so the alternative would be Scan-SMB which too often becomes dysfunctional after certain software updates or other obscure reasons and when this happens "Customer feels its always the machine". Another alternative would be scan-E-Mail which is not much liked by our customers for what reason ever and myself too since I would need their SMTP credentials which could have its own headaches.

                Another possibility would be Scan-Box to the local hard drive in the MFP. I'm not sure but seem to remember that - at least for KonicaMinolta which is my main brand - it is rather clumsy and one cannot explore the scanfolder directly in the network but only through PageScope-"something" or so.

                My idea is to get for those machines where Scan-FTP is unwanted, a cheap NAS instead. Sticking it to the back of the machine with Velcron and do the scans directly to the NAS with either Scan-FTP or perhaps SMB.

                Do you guys have experience with this set up and can you give advice for a cheap NAS? Any Con's?

                Thanks

                Hans
                Add Mirror Hard Drive Backup with ip address / setup scan directly to folder/scan to usb if your machine has it. Pagescope is the biggest joke ever made. Scan to hard drive simple create shortcut on desktop \\192.168.1.35\file_share this is an example. Direct scanning to network folder stays put as long as you list" everyone "on the folder security. This is simple stuff. No one is using ftp. Please do not do what you are suggesting you will lose your customer. Map you copier hard drive.

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                • bsm2
                  IT Manager

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                  • Feb 2008
                  • 27454

                  #9
                  Re: Scan1

                  Originally posted by Edward
                  Add Mirror Hard Drive Backup with ip address / setup scan directly to folder/scan to usb if your machine has it. Pagescope is the biggest joke ever made. Scan to hard drive simple create shortcut on desktop \\192.168.1.35\file_share this is an example. Direct scanning to network folder stays put as long as you list" everyone "on the folder security. This is simple stuff. No one is using ftp. Please do not do what you are suggesting you will lose your customer. Map you copier hard drive.

                  Use FTP all the time NEVER had to remove or uninstall. This is simple stuff ?, that's why I get paid to fix your problems. Stick to main body problems

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                  • slimslob
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                    • May 2013
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                    #10
                    Re: Scan1

                    With today's modern MFP, most have the capability to Scan to Memory Device. This is not restricted by any network security issues. It totally dependent on settings at the MFP. Just make sure it is your thumb drive and not your vaping device that you pull out of your pocket.

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                    • slimslob
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                      #11
                      Re: Scan1

                      Originally posted by bsm2
                      Only seen 2 NAS customers, setup was same as SMB scanning. Was not impressed with them as they may fail also unless they backup to a cloud. Windows 10 I always use FTP , SMB too many changes from MS updates. FTP always works
                      I only had one customer who tried to use a NAS. The only problem was that the NAS they purchased only allowed reading from and writing from a computer with their software/driver installed. THe models that supported SMB/FTP were double or more the price.

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                      • slimslob
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                        #12
                        Re: Scan1

                        Originally posted by bsm2
                        Use FTP all the time NEVER had to remove or uninstall. This is simple stuff ?, that's why I get paid to fix your problems. Stick to main body problems
                        And that is your choice as IT for your customers. The problem for us that have to deal with corporate IT people is that as Hansoon said in his original post " Unfortunately there are some IT-Blokes who insist on not having an FTP-Server running on their systems."

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                        • blackcat4866
                          Master Of The Obvious

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                          #13
                          Re: Scan1

                          The simplest scan setup ever is on the Toshiba's scan to file share. The documents go to the MFP's hard drive which is shared out to the network. The only thing to do is create a shortcut to the MFP:
                          Run: \\192.168.1.1\file_share\
                          then drag a shortcut to the desktop and rename it to something recognizable. Perhaps 60 seconds per PC. Easy enough that even I can do it. =^..^=
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                          • allan
                            RTFM!!

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                            • Apr 2010
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                            #14
                            Re: Scan1

                            Originally posted by blackcat4866
                            The simplest scan setup ever is on the Toshiba's scan to file share. The documents go to the MFP's hard drive which is shared out to the network. The only thing to do is create a shortcut to the MFP:
                            Run: \\192.168.1.1\file_share\
                            then drag a shortcut to the desktop and rename it to something recognizable. Perhaps 60 seconds per PC. Easy enough that even I can do it. =^..^=
                            Also like to set that up but the HDD can get filled up. I set it to delete scans every 3 days and instruct the customer to copy it from the MFP.
                            The Konica Minolta machines supports userbox sharing from the 7 and 8 range, could be even be on the 4 series but not sure if there was a firmware update for that.

                            If the IT guy does not like the 3de party app for FTP then setup windows FTP server.

                            About the scan to email use gmail then you are the author of the authentication info and the SMTP server is always the same. Never had a Gmail server change IP.
                            They are concerned about security thru FTP but will probably just thank you for the Gmail solution not even thinking that you now have remote access to all there scanned files...

                            I tell the guys what i am up to and would give them there Gmail account details and password and explain where to change the passwords for themselves
                            One company i worked for in insisted that we use the same gmail account for all the customers using the password scan12345.
                            Now that is just stupid.
                            Last edited by allan; 05-19-2019, 06:50 PM.
                            Whatever

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