Need some advice on learning networking

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

Windows Server 2019 gets better and better the more I learn about it....

Let's say that an office has 200 computers (users) and they all need to print to a machine that you're installing. I know that's a lot of users for one copier but bear with me.

You can install the print driver on the server and from there the printer can be deployed to every PC on the network or only the PC's that you select thru a group policy. There's no need to go around to every PC and install the driver. I just did. So cool.

I'm sure most already knew this. I didn't.

[KenB]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

Windows Server 2019 gets better and better the more I learn about it....

Let's say that an office has 200 computers (users) and they all need to print to a machine that you're installing. I know that's a lot of users for one copier but bear with me.

You can install the print driver on the server and from there the printer can be deployed to every PC on the network or only the PC's that you select thru a group policy. There's no need to go around to every PC and install the driver. I just did. So cool.

I'm sure most already knew this. I didn't.

Don't forget to set the printer options in the driver on the server, such as finisher and paper trays. If you don't include the options, they won't be available to the users. (Although some drivers are more intelligent than others, and will auto detect.)

You can also set the printer defaults, such as color versus B&W ( a BIG one), tray selection, etc...

Be careful. Printing preferences and printing defaults are very different. If I remember correctly, preferences only control how the server itself prints, and defaults controls how it is shared (I may be backwards.) I got burned by that a bunch of times, and it's amazing how many IT admins don't know the difference.

[bsm2]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

Only had two or three accounts use Group Policy to deploy printers. Usually large enterprise companies
Most IT do it the old fashion way.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

Don't forget to set the printer options in the driver on the server, such as finisher and paper trays. If you don't include the options, they won't be available to the users. (Although some drivers are more intelligent than others, and will auto detect.)

You can also set the printer defaults, such as color versus B&W ( a BIG one), tray selection, etc...

Be careful. Printing preferences and printing defaults are very different. If I remember correctly, preferences only control how the server itself prints, and defaults controls how it is shared (I may be backwards.) I got burned by that a bunch of times, and it's amazing how many IT admins don't know the difference.

This man knows what he's talking about. I found out after I didn't set up the defaults and options that you can't change 'em from the client's PC. You can't change shit from there. I did get that figured out, though.


At the moment I just figured out how to make a new group policy and link it to an existing group. It blows my mind at the number of things that can be enabled or disabled. Wow.

[BillyCarpenter]

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Only had two or three accounts use Group Policy to deploy printers. Usually large enterprise companies
Most IT do it the old fashion way.

I don't doubt that but the entire point of having a server is to manage the network from one central location. If a company has a print server set up, I see no reason to do it the old fashioned way. Moreover, unless we can log in to a client's PC with Admin rights, we can't install a print driver. Doesn't make sense to me. Then again, I have zero experience setting up a copier on a server.

[slimslob]

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I don't doubt that but the entire point of having a server is to manage the network from one central location. If a company has a print server set up, I see no reason to do it the old fashioned way. Moreover, unless we can log in to a client's PC with Admin rights, we can't install a print driver. Doesn't make sense to me. Then again, I have zero experience setting up a copier on a server.

For client PCs, you do not need to login as a server administer. They setup local administrators that can install hardware and software on individual PCs that does not need to be on the network servers.

Other than being able to use Group Policy to push drivers to client computers there is not that much difference between a server install and installing a shared printer on a PC. And since most modern computers are 64 bit you don't have to worry about install additional drivers.

[BillyCarpenter]

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For client PCs, you do not need to login as a server administer. They setup local administrators that can install hardware and software on individual PCs that does not need to be on the network servers.

Other than being able to use Group Policy to push drivers to client computers there is not that much difference between a server install and installing a shared printer on a PC. And since most modern computers are 64 bit you don't have to worry about install additional drivers.

I tried installing a printer logged in as a local admin. and I couldn't do it - access denied. I had be be logged in as a domain administrator. There must be a way of doing it but I didn't see it. That doesn't mean much since I've only been working with a server for a few days.

Also, what about SMB? It wouldn't make much sense to scan documents to the hard drive of a client's PC because each individual PC would have to be backed up compared to only having to back up the data on the server if you scan to there.


Edit: If memory serves, when I tried installing drivers as a local admin, I believe the message said: You need a higher level of permission.

[slimslob]

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I tried installing a printer logged in as a local admin. and I couldn't do it - access denied. I had be be logged in as a domain administrator. There must be a way of doing it but I didn't see it. That doesn't mean much since I've only been working with a server for a few days.

Also, what about SMB? It wouldn't make much sense to scan documents to the hard drive of a client's PC because each individual PC would have to be backed up compared to only having to back up the data on the server if you scan to there.


Edit: If memory serves, when I tried installing drivers as a local admin, I believe the message said: You need a higher level of permission.

A local administer only has administrative rights when logged into a Win 10 Pro computer that is connected to a domain that it is a member of.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

A local administer only has administrative rights when logged into a Win 10 Pro computer that is connected to a domain that it is a member of.

That's exactly the set up I used. Windows 2019 server and a Windows 10 Pro client. You can't connect Windows 10 Home to a domain. That's what I read and then I tried it and the option isn't available.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

PS - I'll have to double check on the local Admin thing. I've been doing a lot of stuff with Windows sever and I could have mistakenly not have given local admin rights to the user I created. I'll double check tomorrow. You have me wondering now. lol

[slimslob]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

PS - I'll have to double check on the local Admin thing. I've been doing a lot of stuff with Windows sever and I could have mistakenly not have given local admin rights to the user I created. I'll double check tomorrow. You have me wondering now. lol

Quick question, is the 20196 Server running as a VM on the the Windows 10 Pro? If it is then that could be the problem.

[BillyCarpenter]

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Quick question, is the 20196 Server running as a VM on the the Windows 10 Pro? If it is then that could be the problem.

I'm running 3 VM machines. 1 Windows 2019 Server and 2 Windows 10 Pro.

I wonder if there's a way to to grant level up rights for a local Admin. There's probably is.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

Quick update: Slim was correct. When a user is assigned Local Admin Rights they can install software and perform other rights.

[tsbservice]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

Billy you pushed forward many of us including me to refresh or learn something new network-wise. Honestly me being copier engineer with modest overall networking skills following your thread with great interest and read many new(or forgotten ) stuff. Thank You for that!

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Need some advice on learning networking

Billy you pushed forward many of us including me to refresh or learn something new network-wise. Honestly me being copier engineer with modest overall networking skills following your thread with great interest and read many new(or forgotten ) stuff. Thank You for that!

My dear ol" Dad always used to say that there are 2 things required for learning: 1.) desire + 2.) time. If you have the desire and enough time, you can learn anything.