Help: PC for playing 4k movies

[Gift]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

I have Make MKV. It's cool because it's free. However, it's kind of a pain in the ass because you have to pick out the correct title (English, French, ect) and the correct subtitles. There's a much better one that I paid for and it's called DVD Fab. It automatically select the correct title and subtitles. It also does much more than rip to MKV. It does every format you can think of.

As far as me changing the bit rate...the bit rate for was playback to the best of my understanding. This setting was in Jelly Fin, not the software I used to rip the DVD. I'm ripping the DVD via MKV passthru. It takes about 30-minutes to rip a 1080p disk. It takes about 2 hours to rip a 4k Dolby Atmos disk.

Can't really make a sense of a bitrate setting in any sort of playback-related topics but hey - who cares as long as it does the trick

I heard of DVD fab, seems more user friendly but I guess you must make shure and find the right settings in order to avoid any re-encoding.
From what google tellst me "mkv passthrough" seems to be the proper setting:

MKV is not really a video format, it's acting like a "container" for video, audio and subtitles streams wich can be encoded in different video/audio formats.

Back in the days I ripped and copied a lot of DVDs I got from an online rental services that offered some kind of "flatrate" service for a few bucks/month.
Due to budget reasons I used a tool called "DVD shrink" to fit the movies on standard writable DVD mediums.
For me - in hindsight - it wasn't really worth the effort since I haven't seen most movies more than once and over the time
noone including me want's to watch SD quality on a like 65inch screen. So I gifted most of that stuff and the rest ended up in the bin.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

If you want to rip a bluray medium without re-encode there should be not bitrate option at all because the tool is suppose to rip the original stream without changing it.

Have you tried this tool for blurays? MakeMKV - Make MKV from Blu-ray and DVD

I have Make MKV. It's cool because it's free. However, it's kind of a pain in the ass because you have to pick out the correct title (English, French, ect) and the correct subtitles. There's a much better one that I paid for and it's called DVD Fab. It automatically select the correct title and subtitles. It also does much more than rip to MKV. It does every format you can think of.

As far as me changing the bit rate...the bit rate for was playback to the best of my understanding. This setting was in Jelly Fin, not the software I used to rip the DVD. I'm ripping the DVD via MKV passthru. It takes about 30-minutes to rip a 1080p disk. It takes about 2 hours to rip a 4k Dolby Atmos disk.

[Gift]

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I'm gonna have to plead ignorance on a lot of this. I wasn't familiar with codecs and I didn't have some of them enabled. The other problem, as I mentioned, is that I changed the bit rate from Auto to 120MB.

Stupid me, I was thinking I needed to build a gaming PC to play lossless video. Live and learn.

If you want to rip a bluray medium without re-encode there should be not bitrate option at all because the tool is suppose to rip the original stream without changing it.

Have you tried this tool for blurays? MakeMKV - Make MKV from Blu-ray and DVD

[BillyCarpenter]

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Never give up the shield^^

I'm not familiar with JellyFin - guess the internal player might need some tweaks, not shure if there are advanced settings avalable.

I'm gonna have to plead ignorance on a lot of this. I wasn't familiar with codecs and I didn't have some of them enabled. The other problem, as I mentioned, is that I changed the bit rate from Auto to 120MB.

Stupid me, I was thinking I needed to build a gaming PC to play lossless video. Live and learn.

[Gift]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

I have a lot to say but first I want to confirm a few things.

I will say that I found a way to get the lossless 4K movies to play using KODI on the NVIDIA Shield. It looks and sounds great. However, I want to use JellyFin but no luck on that front.

Never give up the shield^^

I'm not familiar with JellyFin - guess the internal player might need some tweaks, not shure if there are advanced settings avalable.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

Okay, I have it all figured out. I changed the video playback bit rate on the Shield from Auto (default) to 128MB. That did the trick. So Jellyfin will now play 4K lossless video and Atmos sound. I also learned a few things from you guys. Thanks for all the input. That knowledge will come in handy in the future. Thanks again.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

I have a lot to say but first I want to confirm a few things.

I will say that I found a way to get the lossless 4K movies to play using KODI on the NVIDIA Shield. It looks and sounds great. However, I want to use JellyFin but no luck on that front.

[Tricky]

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If the files have insane bitrates and/or the encoding settings are out of specs (like too many reference frames) you'll probably end up with problems on all SoC-based solutions, probably even the new Pi5.

I tend to agree since the Shield is still something to be reckoned with, you won't want to buy something that's just a bit better than it.

@Billy if you have a Samsung Galaxy S phone from the S8 onwards you can buy an HDMI to usb c and use the Samsung Dex environment.

I am going to try one of these on my now old S9.

[slimslob]

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I've tried connecting the drive both ways...via USB and Network. It simply cannot handle any UHD 4K movies. It will stream UHD 4K but those files have been compressed and there's a lot less data compared to a ripped UHD MKV file tha is uncompressed.

What type of USB port USB-a or USB-c?

USB-a:

USB 1.0/Low-Speed: 1.5 Megabits per second (Mbps)
USB 1.1/Full-Speed: 12 Mbps
USB 2.0/Hi-Speed: 480 Mbps
USB 3.0/SuperSpeed: 5 Gbps
USB 3.1/SuperSpeed: 10 Gbps

USB-c 20 to 40 Gbps

Most laptops now being produced include st least 1 USB-c and a HDMI port so you can watch the movie on what ever size display you want.

[Gift]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

You don't need a full on PC for 4k. A Raspberry Pi 4 with LibreELEC installed will render 4k just fine whether the file is on the SD card locally or even over an SMB connection.

If the files have insane bitrates and/or the encoding settings are out of specs (like too many reference frames) you'll probably end up with problems on all SoC-based solutions, probably even the new Pi5.

It will stream UHD 4K but those files have been compressed and there's a lot less data compared to a ripped UHD MKV file tha is uncompressed.

Well uncompressed usually means lossless video, in this case a movie might end up with 1TB.
I think you're talking about "untouched" BluRay rips wich are still compressed during it's original authoring of course.
What player applications did you try on your shield?

[rthonpm]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

You don't need a full on PC for 4k. A Raspberry Pi 4 with LibreELEC installed will render 4k just fine whether the file is on the SD card locally or even over an SMB connection.

[dalewb74]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

so you want to be cheap, but you want the best?? good luck......

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

I own a shield, too (2019 model) wich I find pretty powerful but I just use it for streaming netflix & co. and emulators.

Is that drive of yours connected via USB or network? Perhaps the USB connection is too slow to handle the bitrate?
As for the player I'd suggest you to check out "Kodi" and "VLC" - I think both dan display things like CPU/GPU usage
during playback. If transfer speed is the issue you might try and stream via LAN (in case it's 1gbit wired of course^^).

If you prefer a PC solution - for playback you don't need anything fancy since most CPU with integreated GPU can handle x264/x265 encoded content
and will also allow retro gaming and some casual stuff. Guess every 2nd hand laptop or MINI PC with an core i3/i5 gen8 or newer CPU will do the trick.

If you need to run AAA games as well the pricetag will go to the roof of course.

I've tried connecting the drive both ways...via USB and Network. It simply cannot handle any UHD 4K movies. It will stream UHD 4K but those files have been compressed and there's a lot less data compared to a ripped UHD MKV file tha is uncompressed.

[Gift]

Re: Help: PC for playing 4k movies

I own a shield, too (2019 model) wich I find pretty powerful but I just use it for streaming netflix & co. and emulators.

Is that drive of yours connected via USB or network? Perhaps the USB connection is too slow to handle the bitrate?
As for the player I'd suggest you to check out "Kodi" and "VLC" - I think both dan display things like CPU/GPU usage
during playback. If transfer speed is the issue you might try and stream via LAN (in case it's 1gbit wired of course^^).

If you prefer a PC solution - for playback you don't need anything fancy since most CPU with integreated GPU can handle x264/x265 encoded content
and will also allow retro gaming and some casual stuff. Guess every 2nd hand laptop or MINI PC with an core i3/i5 gen8 or newer CPU will do the trick.

If you need to run AAA games as well the pricetag will go to the roof of course.

[Duplicator]

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I use Odroid-n2s to do that. They function kinda like cable boxes attached to TVs. ODROID-N2+ with 4GByte RAM – ODROID

For software use either Corelec or Libreelec.

They do have hardware to decode H265 so they run quite nicely with compressed formats. They will support 4k 60fps with HDR10.