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  • Gina82
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    • Oct 2017
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    IPF750 says paper jam when loading

    I have an iPF750 that says paper jam during paper loading. The rolled paper exits the machine, backs up a little and the stops, then the print head goes over the right side of the paper then back in the purge unit and does this three times and then the 750 states that there is a jam, can anyone tell me why the paper would back up a little and stop? Im pretty sure that is what is causing my jam. I work on very little wide formats so detailed explanations would be greatly appreciated.
  • Phil B.
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    • Jul 2016
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    #2
    Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

    Originally posted by Gina82
    I have an iPF750 that says paper jam during paper loading. The rolled paper exits the machine, backs up a little and the stops, then the print head goes over the right side of the paper then back in the purge unit and does this three times and then the 750 states that there is a jam, can anyone tell me why the paper would back up a little and stop? Im pretty sure that is what is causing my jam. I work on very little wide formats so detailed explanations would be greatly appreciated.
    have you run sensor tests?

    are you loading the proper paper?

    it could be the paper load sensor ( not sure what canon calls it.. but similar probs on Epson with failed sensors)

    what is the jams numeric code ?

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    • Gina82
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      #3
      Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

      Originally posted by Phil B.
      have you run sensor tests?

      are you loading the proper paper?

      it could be the paper load sensor ( not sure what canon calls it.. but similar probs on Epson with failed sensors)

      what is the jams numeric code ?
      I'm not too familiar with running sensor tests on wide formats, but I did go to service mode and attempt a GAP ADJ but then I got a 03130031-2F14. This problem recently started after changing the printhead. I did load the proper paper in and made sure the the sensors on the right side of the machine were cleaned. It never throws up a numeric code, it just loads the paper then pulls it back (never cutting it) and then the print head moves over the right side of the paper 3 times and displays that there is a paper jam. On an Epson where is the paper load sensor it may be around the same error

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      • Phil B.
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        Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

        Originally posted by Gina82
        I'm not too familiar with running sensor tests on wide formats, but I did go to service mode and attempt a GAP ADJ but then I got a 03130031-2F14. This problem recently started after changing the printhead. I did load the proper paper in and made sure the the sensors on the right side of the machine were cleaned. It never throws up a numeric code, it just loads the paper then pulls it back (never cutting it) and then the print head moves over the right side of the paper 3 times and displays that there is a paper jam. On an Epson where is the paper load sensor it may be around the same error
        here again .. not familiar with the Canon..

        but on the Epson products after PH installation you had to manually gap the printhead.

        PH replacement was not a "drop in " process about 1.5hrs after you have done 2-3. then you had the adjustments .. registration... alignment .. clearing counters etc.

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        • blackcat4866
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          Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

          Originally posted by Phil B.
          have you run sensor tests?

          are you loading the proper paper?

          it could be the paper load sensor ( not sure what canon calls it.. but similar probs on Epson with failed sensors)

          what is the jams numeric code ?
          You're on the right track, Phil. HP's call it the paper edge sensor. On Canon iPF's it's called a multi-sensor (QM3-5831-000) and white reference (QL2-6891-000). But its exactly what you're talking about. Watch for "!Paper jam. Push release lever back.", 03010000-2E27, 03060100-2E02, and when attempting gap adjustment 03130031-260E.

          You can check the output of the multi-sensor in Service Mode > Function > Optical Sensor Output > "NO" right arrow to "YES" > Output2: 000803013 255200 > Output3: 5180160018 31200. The numbers in red are some possible bad readings. I started recording the multi-sensor outputs from functioning machines to try to determine which value indicate a typical failure. If you post all the output values I'll check them against the spreadsheet.

          There are three sensors in that unit, each can fail. Once you've changed the parts, run the gap adjustment again, preferably with the bright paper recommended.
          =^..^=
          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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          • Phil B.
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            Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

            Originally posted by blackcat4866
            You're on the right track, Phil. HP's call it the paper edge sensor. On Canon iPF's it's called a multi-sensor (QM3-5831-000) and white reference (QL2-6891-000). But its exactly what you're talking about. Watch for "!Paper jam. Push release lever back.", 03010000-2E27, 03060100-2E02, and when attempting gap adjustment 03130031-260E.

            You can check the output of the multi-sensor in Service Mode > Function > Optical Sensor Output > "NO" right arrow to "YES" > Output2: 000803013 255200 > Output3: 5180160018 31200. The numbers in red are some possible bad readings. I started recording the multi-sensor outputs from functioning machines to try to determine which value indicate a typical failure. If you post all the output values I'll check them against the spreadsheet.

            There are three sensors in that unit, each can fail. Once you've changed the parts, run the gap adjustment again, preferably with the bright paper recommended.
            =^..^=
            Thanks Brother.. yeah wasn't sure of terminology... can't remember now what the HP 750s called it. Epson was the last GOOD WF I worked on... great T series

            Until you got to PH and some adjustments. Then is was really time consuming.


            Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

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            • blackcat4866
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              Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

              Epson is the closest to an actual lifetime printhead, true? =^..^=
              If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
              1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
              2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
              3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
              4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
              5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

              blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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              • Phil B.
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                • Jul 2016
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                Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

                Originally posted by blackcat4866
                Epson is the closest to an actual lifetime printhead, true? =^..^=
                ink based life form

                PH warranty 3 yrs. *xtended avail option*

                from what I have seen in field miles n miles n miles of paper most of the 'newer' models, 5 years most times if kept up.

                cold print tech as apposed to the HP / Brother lines ..doesn't wear out the port film as quick

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                • Gina82
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                  • Oct 2017
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                  #9
                  Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

                  Originally posted by blackcat4866
                  You're on the right track, Phil. HP's call it the paper edge sensor. On Canon iPF's it's called a multi-sensor (QM3-5831-000) and white reference (QL2-6891-000). But its exactly what you're talking about. Watch for "!Paper jam. Push release lever back.", 03010000-2E27, 03060100-2E02, and when attempting gap adjustment 03130031-260E.

                  You can check the output of the multi-sensor in Service Mode > Function > Optical Sensor Output > "NO" right arrow to "YES" > Output2: 000803013 255200 > Output3: 5180160018 31200. The numbers in red are some possible bad readings. I started recording the multi-sensor outputs from functioning machines to try to determine which value indicate a typical failure. If you post all the output values I'll check them against the spreadsheet.

                  There are three sensors in that unit, each can fail. Once you've changed the parts, run the gap adjustment again, preferably with the bright paper recommended.
                  =^..^=
                  my multi-sensor output values for output 2 and 3 are as follows, respectively: {508508000 23250; 520520000 53250}. I also took down the rest and I'll place those below in case one looks off to you.

                  0- {675103043 26200}
                  1- {682683000 26200}
                  2- {508508000 23250}
                  3- {520520000 53250}
                  4- {663663000 20250}
                  5- {660661000 25200}
                  6- {660659000 25200}

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                  • Gina82
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                    #10
                    Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

                    my multi-sensor output values for output 2 and 3 are as follows, respectively: {508508000 23250; 520520000 53250}. I also took down the rest and I'll place those below in case one looks off to you.

                    0- {675103043 26200}
                    1- {682683000 26200}
                    2- {508508000 23250}
                    3- {520520000 53250}
                    4- {663663000 20250}
                    5- {660661000 25200}
                    6- {660659000 25200}

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                    • blackcat4866
                      Master Of The Obvious

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                      Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

                      0- {675103043 26200}
                      1- {682683000 26200}
                      2- {508508000 23250}
                      3- {520520000 53250}
                      4- {663663000 20250}
                      5- {660661000 25200}
                      6- {660659000 25200}

                      Output1:
                      683 should range from 090<101: Media Edge outside light output
                      000 should range from 031<198: Media Edge platen output
                      Output2:
                      508 should range from 054<071: GAP1 outside light output
                      000 should range from 012<013: GAP1 platen output
                      Output3:
                      520 should range from 015<026: GAP2 outside light output
                      000 should range from 012<014: GAP2 platen output
                      53 should range from 11<16: GAP2 gain
                      Output4:
                      663 should range from 052<077: Density (red) outside light output
                      Output5:
                      661 should range from 069<087: Density (green) outside light output
                      Output6:
                      659 should range from 040<053: Density (blue) outside light output

                      The values in red are out of range.
                      Soooooo ... I think its safe to say that you have a bad multi-sensor.

                      And thank you for contributing data to my spreadsheet. =^..^=
                      Last edited by blackcat4866; 10-29-2019, 01:34 AM.
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                      • Gina82
                        Technician

                        50+ Posts
                        • Oct 2017
                        • 98

                        #12
                        Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

                        Originally posted by blackcat4866
                        0- {675103043 26200}
                        1- {682683000 26200}
                        2- {508508000 23250}
                        3- {520520000 53250}
                        4- {663663000 20250}
                        5- {660661000 25200}
                        6- {660659000 25200}

                        Output1:
                        683 should range from 090<101: Media Edge outside light output
                        000 should range from 031<198: Media Edge platen output
                        Output2:
                        508 should range from 054<071: GAP1 outside light output
                        000 should range from 012<013: GAP1 platen output
                        Output3:
                        520 should range from 015<026: GAP2 outside light output
                        000 should range from 012<014: GAP2 platen output
                        53 should range from 11<16: GAP2 gain
                        Output4:
                        663 should range from 052<077: Density (red) outside light output
                        Output5:
                        661 should range from 069<087: Density (green) outside light output
                        Output6:
                        659 should range from 040<053: Density (blue) outside light output

                        The values in red are out of range.
                        Soooooo ... I think its safe to say that you have a bad multi-sensor.

                        And thank you for contributing data to my spreadsheet. =^..^=
                        I appreciate your help and detailed explanations and the multi-sensor will be the next item to be replaced. I'd love to know more about your spreadsheet, it'd be very informative next time a problem like this occurs

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                        • blackcat4866
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                          Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

                          Send a private message with email destination included, and you can have the spreadsheet. =^..^=
                          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                          • blackcat4866
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                            Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

                            Like most other aspects of this job, this spreadsheet is a work in progress. As I get more data the more I can refine the diagnosis.
                            =^..^=
                            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                            • Gina82
                              Technician

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                              • Oct 2017
                              • 98

                              #15
                              Re: IPF750 says paper jam when loading

                              Originally posted by blackcat4866
                              Like most other aspects of this job, this spreadsheet is a work in progress. As I get more data the more I can refine the diagnosis.
                              =^..^=
                              I changed the multi sensor and its reference plate, but with no success, the wide format still does the same thing. With the error code ending in 2F14 (03130031-2F14). I believe the issue may be the main PCB, any thoughts?

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