Hey Screwtape!

[Guest]

Well the C1 has been upgraded, now they have the C1+. The Canon imagePRESS C1+ is the next generation digital color printing system aimed at the color environment. The imagePRESS C1+ is the first color device with clear toner for the light production and proofing markets. The imagePRESS C1+ continues to produce the highest quality color proofs, layouts and graphic imagery with the added feature of clear toner to offer exciting new possibilities for design. I guess those blanking plates have many more reason to be there.

[Canuck]

The C1+ is just a C1 with the additional clear toner basically...you can get the gloss like a clc with fuser lube, do some gloss highlighting. Maybe someday they will be able to make it function as a 6 color machine....i doubt it

[Guest]

The C1+ is just a C1 with the additional clear toner basically...you can get the gloss like a clock with fuser oil, do some gloss highlighting. Maybe someday they will be able to make it function as a 6 color machine....i doubt it

When I was in training, the instructor mention the two extra colors were suppose to be light cyan and light magenta. Canon will eventually do it, but its all about marketing. No other color machine has clear toner capabilities or light cyan and light magenta that i know of. So instead of CMYK its CMYKL. The client must however request if they want clear toner capabilities, then the tech must enable the feature upon installation.

[Penvy]

Now That you said that I was wondering what some of the level 2 settings were.
that makes sense on the 2 other colors.
I knew that canon was planing to add colors 5 and 6 for the photo images.
The clear is really a great idea.

could be a 2 side finish coat.
Remember the Next press has inline just a 1 sided coater and you have to buy the off line coater to finish the other side.

That could then make this C1 very attractive for proofing.


Guys i just wanted to explore the dev units real life.
Thats why I was looking to do a full clean and restart.

My guess it the dev unit can go close to the 500K
BUT...........as you guys have said the dev powder just gives out too soon.
AND from all the reading I come up with the 65-70 k before having to restart.
OR............there is room inside the drum unit for a larger dev unit that would hold enough for 200K before restart.

BUT.....the weight of these units would have to be a balance issue for proper rotation of the color units.


Oh shit I just read this post and the R&D in me is starting to come out
Then those guys read this stuff and do it.

The main issues with this C1 ARE
1- dev units low life
2- fuser roll is very easy to damage
3- web cleaner needs more tension(tends to roll into the fuser roll.
4-the Rip must be the larger one at all times( the small one on the back just does not have enough for large files,graphics,photos.
5- the K needs to be at a high saturation for better solids( the 7000 is on of the best black on the market)
6- the duplex could have better reg software settings(it can do it but a lot of tweeking on the copier settings not the PC
7- this is the good one
Admit that this copier CAN take heavy stocks and do it in short runs
(we did this many times when it WAS working)

I just need to find cheap starter powder and already have mix ratios
close enough.

1- by weight 70/30
2- by volume 50/50

I am tired now have to shut down for the day.

Any help here would be cool.

and yes I know there is pre mix but iI want to see how the ATR and DEV ratio's compensate working up to proper default(door) settings

[Guest]

The only thing that would help you not absorb the cost, is to charge the customer for the starter. We do not add starter on the contract, its consider a sales item not a part. We supply toner but not the developer. The client pays for it.

[Penvy]

Tough thing to do when your customer says "its covered"
And I can see their point, the salesman told them "everything" and thats
what they think.

[Guest]

Tough thing to do when your customer says "its covered"
And I can see their point, the salesman told them "everything" and thats
what they think.

Then have the sales man pay for it.

Don't you hate that!!!

[Penvy]

Not to start a bitch session but salesman NEVER pay for anything.
But As the contract reads supplys and parts are included.

Only the paper is paid for buy the customer.

on the 6800 does it use the "V Toner"? I thought it was another type.

[mrfixit51]

The only thing that would help you not absorb the cost, is to charge the customer for the starter. We do not add starter on the contract, its consider a sales item not a part. We supply toner but not the developer. The client pays for it.

Screwtape is right on the money,, the CLC's were always run this way, in fact the customers were supposed to have the starter mix onsite, it was considered a supply item like paper. When the customer decided the colors were not right, we changed out the starter mix for them from their stock onhand. We would tell them what we used so that they could reorder the mix to have it onhand for the next time.

[Penvy]

I get it guys, just most customers always think "we" owe them something more.

Given the problems with the C1 this would and is a nightmare if your going on the starter cost and what the spec's read.

The one thing that will piss off a customer if there being or think there being
charged for something they think is covered.
This is where the salesman must come back the scene of the crime and
wash blood off the contract and point out the "real" cost.

CBS if well known for this and I have an orphan mach I would like to get it back up and running.

[Canuck]

Very gray area...been there...i've worked for places that consider toner a SUPPLY, and starters and webs are CONSUMABLES