[Electrical] Does anyone know how to connect copier counter from IR5070 board??

[Guest]

I have a analog type copier counter and I need to connect it to IR5070.

Does anyone know how to do it?

Best regards!!

[teckat]

I have a analog type copier counter and I need to connect it to IR5070.

Does anyone know how to do it?

Best regards!!

call the company that is listed on the 3rd Party counter device

if it's a EQUITRAC
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imageRUNNER 6570/5570/5070
Cable Comes Standard With Device

[KenB]

This may not be a 3rd party device, but rather a Canon one.

This isn't a Canon card controller, is it?

It uses punched "credit cards" to control access.

[smartdigitalcentre]

Hello there!
thank you for you guys help but I have none of canon card controller or canon control device.
What I have is just unkown analog counter which has two electrical line that can connect to part of copier board.
I have several ricoh 2045 and I opened back of copier then took out board. I did soldering and works perfect with some copier settings.
Is there anyway that I can do like ricoh job?
Thanks God bless!

[teckat]

Hello there!
thank you for you guys help but I have none of canon card controller or canon control device.
What I have is just unkown analog counter which has two electrical line that can connect to part of copier board.
I have several ricoh 2045 and I opened back of copier then took out board. I did soldering and works perfect with some copier settings.
Is there anyway that I can do like ricoh job?
Thanks God bless!

ANALOG= no way will it work/

why are u trying to do this ???

[fchu5959]

HI
Like teckat,i'm curious to know why you want to connect a mechanical counter??

I have a analog type copier counter and I need to connect it to IR5070.

Does anyone know how to do it?

Best regards!!

[blackcat4866]

Unlike teckat & fchu5959 I don't really care why you want to connect the mechanical counter. Maybe you just don't trust the digital counter. It wouldn't be the first time that a digital counter was inaccurate. Maybe you've got a public access machine, and you want the counter to be easier to read for the endusers.

There is no reason why you couldn't connect it like this:
Mount the counter in a convenient location. Leave the modular connector on the wires, and find a mating connector from the scrapyard. Here is where you'll require a little experimentation. You should be able to connect the two leads from the counter to the two leads from registration clutch. The counter is a solenoid operated mechanism, so it probably won't make any difference which wire goes to which.

You could even go crazy, and have the counter tripped by a pickup clutch signal giving you a specific count for each tray. Of course that could require three or more counters, but counters are easy enough to come by.

Now keep in mind that you will not get double count for ledger. Just one click per page. Let me know how it goes. =^..^=

[teckat]

If u are a Tech. You better make sure this machine does not have a contract. If u create a short , it's your ass that will be cooked.

we had techs do this on the side to contracted machines, don't have to tell u where they are now.

Another point for everyone who wants to try this_if u are an Authorized dealer of CANON products and by some chance u need one of there support people to come look at your product and they see that counter, they will take note of serial number & walk out of the account, u will then never get support on that product

Believe me- I have see this happen to our contracted machines in Print Shops/ they would have someone hook up a counter to keep near a cash register. This is why we don't give contracts to print shops or even service their products.

Owners of them are the most untruthful people I have ever meet .

[blackcat4866]

Well sure, If you're not a Canon tech you'll void any warranty on the machine. But this is a forum for technicians. What would an enduser be doing here?

You know Hecon make a counter that's probably compatible with your machine. Look here:
Keycounters and RCC

[KenB]

Unlike teckat & fchu5959 I don't really care why you want to connect the mechanical counter. Maybe you just don't trust the digital counter. It wouldn't be the first time that a digital counter was inaccurate. Maybe you've got a public access machine, and you want the counter to be easier to read for the endusers.

There is no reason why you couldn't connect it like this:
Mount the counter in a convenient location. Leave the modular connector on the wires, and find a mating connector from the scrapyard. Here is where you'll require a little experimentation. You should be able to connect the two leads from the counter to the two leads from registration clutch. The counter is a solenoid operated mechanism, so it probably won't make any difference which wire goes to which.

You could even go crazy, and have the counter tripped by a pickup clutch signal giving you a specific count for each tray. Of course that could require three or more counters, but counters are easy enough to come by.

Now keep in mind that you will not get double count for ledger. Just one click per page. Let me know how it goes. =^..^=

I totally agree with Blackcat.

For a bit more info, I know that the Canon machines always used a 24 volt pulse.

[teckat]

there are plenty of End Users using this site to gather information, you can tell by their questions & answers

even an untrained tech should have some knowledge on copy process & using a meter. if they don't , they need to find a job doing something else

[fchu5959]

i think only an end user could post such a thread;

of course technically it's possible to connect a mechanical counter;in fact, it would not be very accurate to pick the pulse at pick-up clutch due to jams;rather picked the pulse somewhere at the exit.

but i'm still curious to read the poster's answer!!

cheers

[blackcat4866]

... of course technically it's possible to connect a mechanical counter;in fact, it would not be very accurate to pick the pulse at pick-up clutch due to jams;rather picked the pulse somewhere at the exit.

but i'm still curious to read the poster's answer!!

cheers

I concede that false pickups would count as copies. And, some of the Kyocera Mita and HP machines will make three attempts at pickup before it gives up. So if the enduser has 2 jams, they could conceivably count as 6 copies. The Hecon key is a better solution. =^..^=

[oldschool]

I have also seen the IR1600 double pulse as the feed clutch gets dirty. Any card (key) counter connection would require a different counter as that output is only 5VDC.

[smartdigitalcentre]

Oh my god! You guys are saying that there's no way to work this unknown analog counter.
Basically, there's no contract with machine and I am running two print shops by myself and machine as well.
I need to track customer's copier usage everytime and it is absolutely easier to my workers.
If that guy is not working, is there any alternatives to track customer's usage from cashier's desk?

I know this is crazy, but I really want to know some alternatives.
I think some guys are Canon service man from the reply and I hope you guys can help me out.
I appreciate all you guys help!