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[aab1]

How did I mock your profession? You are copier repair guys, that should include both inkjet and laser machines, especially with business inkjets getting more and more popular as well as far faster and cheaper to operate than laser printers.

Again if inkjet is so bad, why are inkjet printers faster and cheaper per page and as a result of that getting more and more popular with color inkjets going up to 150 pages/minute.

And why can I offer inkjet high volume printing at less than 10% the cost per page of professional print centers and have many repeat customers?

I'm not mocking laser technology either, it does have its advantages which is why I got a laser printer. It can make waterproof prints as well as an impressive glossy finish even on the cheapest plain paper. So yes laser does have advantages over inkjet, but it doesn't change the fact that you can get a much lower cost per page with inkjet, even with no modifications, and that's a huge advantage to inkjet and the reason my print service is so popular, orders that would cost $500 in a copy center are $50 with my service.

So I'm not mocking either you, your profession, and not even laser technology, it just bothers me that some seem to refuse to accept you can get a much lower cost per page with inkjet (and I'm not talking about small home inkjet printers that literally cost $2-5 in ink per page, I'm talking about high speed, high volume business inkjet printers that are specifically designed to outperform laser printers of similar price).

It's really difficult to maintain a courteous and professional demeanor with someone who continually mocks our professions and our industry as a whole - not to mention the digs he throws at Canon in nearly every post.

Although I will give him credit for not attacking any of us personally, just how do those types of inane rants rank as being professional? They don't!

We all have our limits as to just how much BS we can stand. As for me, I reached mine about 30 of his posts ago.

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

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I do enjoy your photos...you seem to have one for everything. lol.

[kingpd@businessprints.net]

...not to mention the digs he throws at Canon in nearly every post.

ah Hell no! I didn't realize that. You don't knock the Can-Man...seriously they have been one of my favs for well over a decade.

[KenB]

Just how many print shops are willing to go through the steps that you do to get your costs so low?

Time is money. Try calculating all the time you spend on your tricks, and multiply that by the hourly wage you would have to pay someone to do that for you and factor that into the mix. Then figure in what it would take to train them to do so.

If you're a one-man shop, put that time spent up against other things that you could be doing that would be more profitable.

If you've found a method that works for you, great. It's hard enough for anyone to stay afloat these days. Go about your business quietly and keep on truckin'.

Just please don't keep waving your "printing prowess" in our faces. You may not think that's what you're doing, but it is.

And please stop slamming Canon; they are one of the industry's best leaders. If you are basing all of their product line on the "home versions", like the machine you have, you aren't getting the real picture for what the "real" machines can do.

The features that you claim you have been essentially cheated out of are not there by design. It's a little thing called "Marketing". I would think you would have picked up on that by now.

Admittedly, the low end channel of Canon leave a few things to be desired, but these products do not represent the business and production class devices that they offer.

I'm sure that the ink jet industry has its place, and eventually may start displacing laser machines, but that is far from happening just yet. And when that does happen, don't you think that every major manufacturer will jump on it and start making their own higher end inkjets? It's not like they don't have the technology available to them.

Until then, it's a laser based world.

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[JustManuals]

It's really difficult to maintain a courteous and professional demeanor with someone who continually mocks our professions and our industry as a whole - not to mention the digs he throws at Canon in nearly every post.

Although I will give him credit for not attacking any of us personally, just how do those types of inane rants rank as being professional? They don't!

We all have our limits as to just how much BS we can stand. As for me, I reached mine about 30 of his posts ago.

And yet you STILL respond to his posts!

[aab1]

ah Hell no! I didn't realize that. You don't knock the Can-Man...seriously they have been one of my favs for well over a decade.

Canon may be better for really big machines, I don't know, but compare a machine like the Canon MF8350Cdn to the HP Color Laserjet CM2320 (which are the same physical printer, in fact I use the HP CM2320 cartridges in my Canon as they are much cheaper and the only difference being the company logo sticker on them).

There's simply no comparison, the Canon is an absolute joke compared to the HP:
-Canon has a 99 page PRINT limit (when printing from a PC, not when making photocopies) which is absurd
-The scanner doesn't do double sided scanning, this is ridiculous on an $800 machine, especially when small home canon inkjet copiers at 1/4 the price do double sided scanning, I'm not aware of any HP with an ADF that doesn't do double sided scanning
-The LCD display menus are very UN user friendly, instead of giving options names that name sense like "Reduce paper curl" on the HP, this same option is called "Special Mode P" on the Canon, so of course you need to pull out the manual and search through it until you find that "Special Mode P" is the "Reduce paper curl" option, this is one of many examples
-Many things are impossible to understand, on the HP to send a fax you simply type in the number and press send color or send black. On the Canon, even following the directions exactly, I never managed to send a fax, I gave up after 5 tries and sent it with my HP inkjet
-Canon doesn't care at all about their customers, there have been several user complaints for firmware/driver updates and Canon after over a year has not released any updates at all. In the same time, HP has released many updates to both drivers and firmware address their customers needs.
-On the Canon, if I want to print on glossy/different paper, on top of obviously putting the paper in, I need to configure the paper type on the machine itself (you can't choose it in the print settings on the PC) which takes many steps, and then when done printing I need to reconfigure it all back to how it was. With HP, if I want to print one job on different paper, I just choose it in the print settings and the settings will be applied only for as long as I'm on the same print job and then revert to the default paper type.

So you simply can't deny that for these smaller machines, Canon is an absolute joke and HP is miles ahead on every single aspect from features to support.

[aab1]

Just how many print shops are willing to go through the steps that you do to get your costs so low?

Time is money. Try calculating all the time you spend on your tricks, and multiply that by the hourly wage you would have to pay someone to do that for you and factor that into the mix. Then figure in what it would take to train them to do so.

If you're a one-man shop, put that time spent up against other things that you could be doing that would be more profitable.

I don't want to argue but what I do saves times, the mod to my inkjet is a 30 minute thing to do. Then I only have to replace the ink bottles every 50 000 prints, which is only every few months for me and takes about 30 seconds. If I printed much more, I could easily use 2 liter bottles (100 000 prints) or 1 gallon bottles (200 000 prints).

You can also get compatible extremely cheap (the cartridges in the HP business inkjets are simply ink tanks, the printer has a built in CIS) but I prefer my bigger bottles that last much more than the 2000-3000 prints or so original cartridges make.

About about Canon intentionally not putting features, I very well know it's intentional and marketing and that's what infuriates me, they intentionally make the machine crappy. HP doesn't do that, the equivalent HP copier doesn't have any feature whatsoever removed. Not only that, as I just said before Canon doesn't care about its users as they never released any updates for my model while HP released several driver and firmware updates for their equivalent machine in the same time period.

[KenB]

And yet you STILL respond to his posts!

Sorry, now I'm done.

[teckat]

I am blocking & unsubscribing to anything this poster writes about, or asks for help on.

This Poster deserves nothing, from anyone in this Forum

[JustManuals]

I am blocking & unsubscribing to anything this poster writes about, or asks for help on.

This Poster deserves nothing, from anyone in this Forum

Well said, I boosted your rep.

[mrfixit51]

The sound of footsteps walking away down the hall.............

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[mrwho]

-Canon has a 99 page PRINT limit (when printing from a PC, not when making photocopies) which is absurd

I found it amusing that you take this small problem so seriously on such a small machine - which goes to confirm what someone else said about the smaller customers being the biggest PITA.

Anyway, keeping an open mind, I did some research and found a solution for your so-much-hated-99-print-limit problem - takes no programming skills (not that you have any, for that matter).

Enjoy!

[acusso1234]

He can also put the monitor on the glass...