What's the setting to stop the printer from preheating whenever the phone rings?

[dinkyoaf]

Most people work for someone else and just want to get through their day and go the hell home.

HEAR HEAR!

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[aab1]

Well with trying to keep it simple...

Lasers are up to 2400x2400 dpi I think. I have noticed better quality on a 600dpi laser than a 600dpi inkjet. Inkjets have different nozzle and droplet sizes and toner is typically a smaller particle. Plus inkjets use one of two methods I think, one is sending current to the nozzles so they vibrate. Laser has extra crispness b/c it is written with a fine laser beam. Also manufacturers have been producing smaller and rounder toner particles. Text can only look so good to the eye. Comparing b/w photo on a 600dpi laser to a 1200dpi laser is very different...much better graphics.

Honestly the machine you've chosen as a laser is a smaller machine, as size, speed, and volume increase, the toners get bigger and cheaper and cost per page goes down.

Lasers last longer and do more, just look at the highest volume page count forum here, many reach tens of millions or more.

So why does laser dominate the office environment so much more than inkjet? Well actually they probably complement each other realistically. Inkjet tends to sit on people desks and lasers tend to be for workgroups and departments.

There's one thing you have to keep in mind aab1, 99% of the market isn't going to care or modify any machine like you have. Most people work for someone else and just want to get through their day and go the hell home. The secretary just wants to order a toner or drum cartridge and pop the bad boy in the machine and forget about it. Also inkjet machines don't have the service technician networks like lasers do. So when your copier breaks down you call the dealer and they come out. Most people don't want anything to do with machines or supplies and don't care how much their company pays for it or who they get it from, except maybe when they initially buy the machine.

Your mod may work great for you and save you tons of money but most end users and buyers won't care, won't know how or even think of dealing with it.

I don't think there are any 600dpi inkjets since nearly 10 years, inkjets are now in the 4000-10000 dpi range even at entry level models that are $50.

Also, photo quality inkjets use from 6 inks (black, cyan, light cyan, magenta, light magenta, yellow) to 12 inks (light cyan, magenta, light magenta, yellow, red, green, blue, light gray, gray, photo black, matte black, gloss enhancer), even a 6 ink printer will make photo lab quality pictures with no visible dots whatsoever. I used to have a small HP inkjet home use printer that was 6 inks and had printed a photo on 4x6 glossy paper, as I showed friends the quality of the picture and they looked at it closely, they would answer "well that's the original photo, where's the copy you made?"... it was the copy I made.

By using light cyan and light magenta they can make light colors directly, rather than spreading out "dark" magenta or "dark" cyan dots to give the illusion of a light color which results in visible dots. So simply adding light cyan and light magenta makes any dots completely invisible and a quality that no laser can even approach.

Bigger business inkjets like mine only use 4 colors like laser printers so the quality isn't as good as a 6 color inkjet but still better than most lasers.

About toner particles being smaller, I don't think that's the issue, when I refill my cartridges you can see that toner particles are infinitely smaller than the smallest inkdrop an inkjet printer could make, from looking at laser prints up close, it's obvious it's the laser size that's the limitation, they would need a smaller laser beam to make smaller dots on the paper.

And it's true laser printers last longer since high speed inkjets have a carriage that moves very violently back and forth. Although my inkjet made about 5 million back and forth motions at blinding speed as you can see in the video I posted before the $5 carriage motor failed. Even replacing a $200 business inkjet printer or $600 business inkjet copier every 200 000 prints would be cheaper than a laser. But $25 000 inkjets, and later this year even $200 models, no longer have a carriage, they have a page wide printhead so the only moving part is the rollers that move the paper, and a page wide printhead (the only consumable part) has a life of over half a million pages (they last about 60 000 pages per inch of width, since with a twice as long printhead, each nozzle does half the work).

I think once these $200 inkjets that are 60ppm come out, they will likely slowly start replacing laser printers in many situations as they gain popularity, but now such inkjets start at $25 000.

And about my mod, again even without the mod HP Officejet Pro inkjets cost half to a quarter the cost per page than laser printers, my mod just makes the savings even greater. Without the mod you just need to replace $25 cartridges that made 1500-2500 prints and printheads every 60 000 prints.

[KenB]

How do you gain Rep Power, anyway?

From what I understand, it's primarily positive comments from fellow posters.

If you are on the "positive" side of the scale, your number of posts factors in, too.

A moderator could give you a little better insight, though.

[dinkyoaf]

From what I understand, it's primarily positive comments from fellow posters.

If you are on the "positive" side of the scale, your number of posts factors in, too.

A moderator could give you a little better insight, though.

Thanks All!

[mrwho]

Screwtape has put it nicely over here.

[kronical]

Re: What's the setting to stop the printer from preheating whenever the phone rings?

So far I "saved" well over $3000 in just over a month by refilling and using remanufactured cartridges (it costs me $40 and 20 minutes of work to refill a set of cartridges instead of $700 for new ones). I also never reused any waste toner. I didn't really save it though because I would never pay $700 for cartridges that make 2800 prints at 5% coverage, that's absolutely insane when my inkjet can print that much for $10 instead of $700.

If I had to pay $700 per 2800 prints I never would have gotten the machine in the first place and would use only my inkjet. Even with the refills it still costs me 6 times more per page than inkjet but it's worth it for the times I want water resistant prints. I calculated how much it would cost me per page using refills and re manufactured cartridges and assuming I get 3 refills per cartridge before even considering buying the machine.

I use it for my businesses I run and without refills I'd be loosing money rather than making money so it would make no sense to buy it if I was going to pay $700 per 2800 prints.

First of all, I'd like to know of ONE machine on the market that charges $700 for cartridges that print ONLY 2800 pages. I would also like to know of ONE inkjet cartridge that CAN print 2800 pages. If you are only getting 2800 pages out of a "$700 cartridge" it is either BECAUSE you are refilling them, or you dont have the first clue what "5% coverage" is! Besides, the chemical components of toner are designed specifically for the model they are intended for. Refilling with generic toner not only will cause quality issues (since the machine is calibrated and designed for SPECIFIC chemical compositions, and you are providing a supply of a different composition) it will eventually outright destroy the machine! So, go ahead and save yourself a couple hundred bucks on regular supplies, while destroying your $15000 piece of equipment.

Secondly, you really need to learn some math. INKJET printers, even the cheap Kodak printers, still run at MINIMUM 10cents per page black, 24cents per page color. LASER products range from 1cent - 4 cents per page black, and 6cents-10cents per page color.

Thirdly, if your machine DOES for some reason only get 2800 pages from a "$700" cartridge, and you say you are saving "$3000 per month" by refilling, then you OBVIOUSLY did not do your homework on the equipment you were buying, or you would have realized that with THAT type of volume, that machine is WAY to small for your needs. These things have monthly volume limits (and although they are only guidelines, not set-in-stone amounts, drastic overages WILL destroy the machine). Saving $3000 per month by spending $20 rather than $700, you are effectively saving $680 each time. $3000/$680=4.5 sets of cartridges per month. 4.5 sets x 2800 pages per set=12352 prints per month. If a full set of cartridges costs $700, then you can't have anything much bigger than a desktop machine, which are only rated for 3000-5000 pages per month.

If, as a business owner, you can't see this, then you deserve to be losing money.

Also, what kind of business has their fax machine connected to a main voice line?

[aab1]

Re: What's the setting to stop the printer from preheating whenever the phone rings?

Are you really that ignorant? Look at the cost of the cartridges for the Canon MF8350Cdn, about $700 (considerably more with tax, this is for all 4 cartridges, not each in case that's what you were thinking), now look at the yield: 2800 color, 3500 black. And to say this is because I[m refilling them makes less than no sense because you only need to refill it after the original toner runs out, I get about 2-3 refills per cartridge before quality degrades and I replace it, however even the brand new cartridge only holds enough toner for 2800 prints at 5%, so it makes absolutely no sense to say it's because I refill, because this is true with a new cartridge that was never refilled, and are the specs claimed by Canon themselves anyway. I also only buy toner specifically formulated for my exact cartridge, I never, ever, ever for any reason use generic refills, either for laser or inkjet, you might as well just smash the printer with a hammer, generic refills WILL break your machine, at least with inkjets and likely laser also. This copier was $500 ($300 off from the original $800) by the way, not $15000 (yes, the copier costs less than the cartridges, but it comes with half filled cartridges)

I thought this was the cost for most/all laser printers, are there some that can get more than 2800 prints for $700? I know bigger copiers end up slightly cheaper but not by much.

The HP Officejet series that uses HP 10/11 cartridges does 2200 black prints and 2350 color prints and the cartridges all together barely cost more than $100 and that's at the MSRP, that's close to 1/7th of the cost, and you can find them even cheaper. Most of HP's Officejet Pro series have costs per page about the same as this. Maybe it's not quite 2800 prints, but close and for a fraction of the cost. Newer models have yields of about 2500.

And you're obviosuly (ok, I'm done correcting typos, I'm iusing google chrome which as a bug with the auto correct so I quit using it) unaware of BUSINESS CLASS inkjet printers, you're comparing a business laser printer to a home model inkjet designed to print 100 pages a month. You even said "even the cheap kodak printers", of course a printer that costs $40 is going to cost a fortune in ink, but get a $1000 inkjet and then you get a cost per page that's a fraction of any laser printer. Look at the HP Officejet Pro series and you'll see NO LASER PRINTER even comes close to the cost per page of these inkjets, not to mention they print much faster than comparably price lasers (up to 35ppm in color). And with refills I print 20% coverage pages at 0.5 cents a page, show me a laser that can print 20% color that cheap, it's never going to happen because the bare cost of toner is more than that to begin with, so you can't ever get the cost per page of laser as low as you can on inkjet, PERIOD.

[teckat]

Re: What's the setting to stop the printer from preheating whenever the phone rings?

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[mrwho]

Re: What's the setting to stop the printer from preheating whenever the phone rings?

It suddenly hit me: Aab1 is like a religious zealot from a religion that is not your own, trying too hard to make you give up your beliefs and embrace his own. He's a copier evangelist!