iR4570 - fixing film jam

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  • mrfixit51
    Lead Service Technician

    1,000+ Posts
    • Oct 2008
    • 1975

    #31
    Originally posted by y_us1982
    i wonder if the paper get too hot when it first across the fixing assy make the paper get a curve.
    If you research further here, that topic has been discussed a great deal, search on 0107 jamming. There is indeed paper curl, induced by the fuser, mostly occurs in damp weather. There is a procedure to reduce this problem, the gist of the fix is lowering the fuser temp in service mode...
    "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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    • y_us1982

      #32
      Originally posted by mrfixit51
      There is a procedure to reduce this problem, the gist of the fix is lowering the fuser temp in service mode...
      did u mean adjust the fix-temp?

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      • teckat
        Field Supervisor

        Site Contributor
        10,000+ Posts
        • Jan 2010
        • 16083

        #33
        Originally posted by y_us1982
        did u mean adjust the fix-temp?
        COPIER > OPTION > BODY
        FIX-LOW= Improving fixing at low temperatur
        e
        Note: Valid for iR3570/3570F/4570/4570F only
        <Setting range>
        0: OFF [Default], 1: Low-temperature fixing improvement mode ON


        Controlling the Power Supply in Response to Low Temperature
        In a low temperature environment, the heater is supplied with power before the fixing film is driven so as to soften the grease applied to the fixing film. The mechanism of control is as follows:
        If the temperature of the fixing film detected by the thermistor is lower than a specific level, the heater is supplied with power for a specific period of time before a normal start-up mechanism is initiated.
        If the temperature of the fixing film detected by the thermistor is higher than a specific level, the normal start-up mechanism is imitated.
        In a low temperature environment, the feeding timing is changed according to the
        temperature detected by the environment sensor so as to enhance the fixing capability. The details are described below.
        When the environment sensor detection temperature is 13 deg C or less, the feeding timing is delayed by 5000 msec.
        In thick paper mode, the feeding timing is not changed even if the environment sensor detection temperature is 13 deg C or less.
        **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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        • mrfixit51
          Lead Service Technician

          1,000+ Posts
          • Oct 2008
          • 1975

          #34
          Originally posted by y_us1982
          did u mean adjust the fix-temp?
          I have sent you a PM/email regarding the procedure...
          "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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          • Matoku
            Trusted Tech

            100+ Posts
            • Feb 2008
            • 173

            #35
            Regarding the 70gsm paper, jam in duplex mode. in my experiance increase a little bit the pressure roller tension will solve this problem.

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            • mrfixit51
              Lead Service Technician

              1,000+ Posts
              • Oct 2008
              • 1975

              #36
              Temperature is the issue with the paper curl, not pressure. Increasing pressure would induce more curl I believe...
              "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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              • linuxxpwin
                Trusted Tech
                • May 2008
                • 205

                #37
                Today I conducted a test of the ir2270 fixing film assembly in an ir3570 copier, it worked fine for at least 4000 copies don't worry paper well used, only copy jobs where paper would be used in future.

                Well the fixing film failed it began to shred and tear. I did this checkmto see if there is a difference in both fixing units or if the were interchangeable by changing off the power connector ends.

                Fortunately the unit did not last as long as the ones that are recommended.

                Linuxxpwin

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                • mrfixit51
                  Lead Service Technician

                  1,000+ Posts
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1975

                  #38
                  The black film is the same, the thermal capacity of the heating units is different, along with the 3-4 wire connector. I have always wondered why they could not get along with a single model and just manage the temp needs in software...
                  "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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                  • abb
                    Junior Member
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 9

                    #39
                    Re: iR4570 - fixing film jam

                    Originally posted by y_us1982
                    is it true that ir4570 had duplex problem when running on a4 size(70gsm)?
                    you try to print first with simple mode, if you notice that the paper don't sort aligned (dish shape), then it is the problem of paper that make jam in the machine

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                    • Guest

                      #40
                      Re: iR4570 - fixing film jam

                      My IR 3045 Do the same
                      the Paper stops in the middle of the fixing unit. when i removed the paper it is folded like an accordion.

                      I tried all 4 trays and did the same thing
                      Paper Orientation: Portait

                      I did notice that when i place the paper in Landscape it works much better but will jam after couple of copies and some of the copies have fold in the middle. so it goes out of the machine shorter than other copies.
                      Error: 1017, 0202, 0102, 0201

                      All sensors checked, - not sticking
                      right door flapper check
                      Fixing unit rolls fine

                      Paper: SUB20/70gsm

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                      • luisito

                        #41
                        Re: iR4570 - fixing film jam

                        Originally posted by mrfixit51
                        I have sent you a PM/email regarding the procedure...
                        i have the same problem in the fixing unit can you help me please. I really apreciate

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