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  • copicatt
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    [Misc] Ir5065 registration problem

    Customer started having trouble this morning. First page is fine, but almost all subsequent pages are off about 1/4 to 1/2 inch lead to trail. One sided and 2 sided problem. From the way it is described to me, the paper is ahead of the image, shifted to trailing side, in other words. Never was aware of the registration brake, but sounds like that could be the problem and can they be removed and cleaned. Heading there now, looking for input......not jamming yet and just started this morning, anything else I should look for? Thanks!
  • teckat
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    Re: Ir5065 registration problem

    is this from all paper loaded areas ??? Deck/Cassette/bypass ??

    If the registration is off one to two sided, check and adjust service mode COPIER>ADJ>Feed-ADJ>REFE. Changing the setting by 10 will adjust the image by 1mm.

    check/or replace registration clutch CL2
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    • copicatt
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      Alright, I am onsite, machine only has 100k, looks brand new. Took off the reg brake but looks good also, cleaned it with alcohol. No change, first copy always looks good, the rest vary as much as half inch to 3/4. Cant see anythinh mechanical......would the clutch cause this?

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      • copicatt
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        Sorry, yes from all cassettes and only running one sided and it happens every time past page one. dont think I can adjust feed in sm because page 1 is right.......thx

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        • teckat
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          Re: Ir5065 registration problem

          Originally posted by copicatt
          Sorry, yes from all cassettes and only running one sided and it happens every time past page one. dont think I can adjust feed in sm because page 1 is right.......thx
          The timing at which the registration roller clutch goes on may be varied in service mode
          (ADJUST>FEED-ADJ>REGIST).
          Use it to adjust the leading edge registration.
          adjustment range: -50 to 50

          SERVICE MODE:
          COPIER> ADJUST> FEED-ADJ> ADJ-REFE
          Use it to adjust the horizontal registration for duplex mode.
          adjustment range: -50 to 50
          Use it to adjust the write start position in main scanning direction at time of re-pickup.
          (-50 to 50 mm)

          RG-MF

          Use it to adjust the registration for manual pickup.
          adjustment range: -50 to 50
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          • teckat
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            Re: Ir5065 registration problem

            Originally posted by copicatt
            Sorry, yes from all cassettes and only running one sided and it happens every time past page one. dont think I can adjust feed in sm because page 1 is right.......thx


            is the lead edge void of the text /??
            check
            original P PRINT SETTINGS
            Laser Write Start Position
            Service Mode Level 1, under Copier > Adjust > Laser > PVE-OFST
            Use it to adjust the laser write start position.
            adjustment range: -300 to 300
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            • copicatt
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              Ok. There are no void areas, the image is shifted to the trail edge, so actually it woild be blank at the lead, but due to shift. Just noticed: BYPASS WORKS FINE!!!!!!!!. So this would surely rule out registration assembly. All others shift after first page.....sorry for mis information...

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              • teckat
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                Re: Ir5065 registration problem

                Originally posted by copicatt
                Ok. There are no void areas, the image is shifted to the trail edge, so actually it woild be blank at the lead, but due to shift. Just noticed: BYPASS WORKS FINE!!!!!!!!. So this would surely rule out registration assembly. All others shift after first page.....sorry for mis information...
                no jam code ???

                are the cassettes showing the correct paper size ?

                is reg issue on network prints and glass copies ???
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                • copicatt
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                  No jams, so no codes. Yes,issues with network prints and feeder/glass, dont matter. The bypass does fine copying and printing. All trays are showing correct size.
                  so im guessing the issue is before the bypass path and after tray 1 path......vertical drive????????

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                  • charm5496
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                    Re: Ir5065 registration problem

                    check for burrs or nicks in your paper guides and sensor flags. Also make sure your sensor flags are snapping back into place properly and not moving slowly. A slow moving flag can cause all kinds of issues.
                    Accidents don't just happen. They must be carelessly planned.

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                    • teckat
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                      Re: Ir5065 registration problem

                      Originally posted by copicatt
                      No jams, so no codes. Yes,issues with network prints and feeder/glass, dont matter. The bypass does fine copying and printing. All trays are showing correct size.
                      so im guessing the issue is before the bypass path and after tray 1 path......vertical drive????????

                      an error in the stepping motors (pickup motor (M11, M12, M24) always leads to paper jam.

                      did u check your P PRINT settings ?
                      is this reg issue constant ( delay text reg issue starts in same place on all paper sizes ??
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                      • copicatt
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                        Took out the deck 1 pickup unit, lubed the gears that drive the vertical drive rollers on the tray 1 pickup assembly. Looks like that motor also drives the duplex exit rollers. These gears are on the upper tear frame where you slide in the unit. After that, ran 200 without a problem. Maybe they were tight. Dint know.....

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                        • Brian8506
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                          Re: Ir5065 registration problem

                          Had the same exact problem on a 3030. First page fine, all the rest bad. replaced reg clutch and all was well.

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                          • copicatt
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                            Its bbbaaaaaccckkkk..back. Started again this morning. Is there any way reg clutch could be acting up but not affect bypass feed?????

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                            • charm5496
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                              Re: Ir5065 registration problem

                              its possible but unlikely. The timing of the paper and image goes off of what the sensor flags tell the machine for timing regardless of the source. I would look at that pre-reg flag, roller and guide area that the stack bypass doesn't use, but all the cassettes go through.
                              Accidents don't just happen. They must be carelessly planned.

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