IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

[mramlawi]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

Hello ,

once happen with me and i changed all the MFC Board

[jose antonio]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

Hi Jose

How did you get on with this as I have the same issue



Phil

Well I replaced the H1 unit box, and this solved the problems I had.

Antonio

[ozzie]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

Sorry for the confusion,

Machines are stressing me out ta bit, the H1 still has some issues but we are still trying working
with it, it has some driver related problem that we are trying to figure out.

I will try the interface board for the ir-4080i.

Thanks for all the information , and will keep you posted on the progress.

Jose Antonio

Hi Jose

How did you get on with this as I have the same issue



Phil

[jose antonio]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

Sorry for the confusion,

Machines are stressing me out ta bit, the H1 still has some issues but we are still trying working
with it, it has some driver related problem that we are trying to figure out.

I will try the interface board for the ir-4080i.

Thanks for all the information , and will keep you posted on the progress.

Jose Antonio

[teckat]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

Thanks for the info teckat,

But i was referring to another machine: irc-4080 UFR standing next to the irc-4080 with the H1 server, the H1 prints ok when it works.
There is an N2 printer kit available for the ir-4080i, i wanted to know if some one can share their experience on the print quality.

Thanks!

Jose Antonio

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hard to understand what u are speaking about ???

1-in your first post u stated

I have been having this issues with an IRC-4080 with fiery H1 server installed--

and then continued about 4080 with H1

2-then mid way down in posts reply's u commented

There are other printers including an IRC-4080I UFR, and all print ok, on the same network.

3- now u say the 4080 w/H1 is OK !!!/ and the 4080i has the issue


you can Convert an ' i ' Model Machine to Accept an imagePASS Device
The machine can be configured to accept and function with an imagePASS H1
You have to order and install the Open Interface PCB or (R0-B PCB) into the machine. Once installed it will automatically disable the UFRII / PCL Print Kit-H1.The Canon part number to order the Open Interface Board is FM2-7430-000.


PostScript Print Driver Functionality-
Color settings range from one touch profiles to expert settings where individual image quality attributes can be chosen by the operator/ user.
PostScript Print Driver Functionality_iR5180 series.pdf

[jose antonio]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

imagePASS H1 / J1

There is a 'Substitute Colors' option in the Color section of the Fiery Printing tab in the PostScript Driver.
What is this option used for?



Answer :
In addition to managing 'named' colors, Spot-On allows you to create a list of 'substitute' colors in ColorWise Pro Tools.

Substitute colors are colors that, when called for in a document by their RGB or CMYK values, are substituted with a different color having the CMYK values from the Spot-On color dictionary. This permits exact color control and overrides individual RGB and CMYK colors.

* For more detailed information, including step by step instructions on using this feature, see the attached file 'Substitute Colors.pdf'.

Summary of steps to substitute colors:
1. Define 'Substitute Colors' within a 'Substitute Group' in the 'Spot-On' feature of ColorWise Pro Tools.

In the example below, substitute color '100.0r,0.0g,0.0b' has been created in the substitute group 'mike test sub grp'. When a document is printed with the color red (defined by '100% red, 0% green, 0% blue') in it, and 'Substitute Colors' is enabled in the PS driver, this shade of red will be replaced with a shade of yellow (0% cyan, 0% magenta, 50% yellow, 0% black).



2. Print a job with the PS driver, checking on the 'Substitute Colors' option.

Important notes:
- Color substitutions affect only text, vector, and line art. They have no effect on raster images.

- When a color is defined as a substitute color, the settings for an RGB color (such as RBG Source, Rendering Style, and RGB Separation) or CMYK color (such as CMYK Simulation Profile, CMYK Simulation Method, and Paper Simulation) have no effect. The color is converted with a process similar to spot color conversion.

- You cannot use the Substitute Colors and Postflight features at the same time. These print options are constrained from the printer driver.

Thanks for the info teckat,

But i was referring to another machine: irc-4080 UFR standing next to the irc-4080 with the H1 server, the H1 prints ok when it works.
There is an N2 printer kit available for the ir-4080i, i wanted to know if some one can share their experience on the print quality.

Thanks!

Jose Antonio

[teckat]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

imagePASS H1 / J1

There is a 'Substitute Colors' option in the Color section of the Fiery Printing tab in the PostScript Driver.
What is this option used for?



Answer :
In addition to managing 'named' colors, Spot-On allows you to create a list of 'substitute' colors in ColorWise Pro Tools.

Substitute colors are colors that, when called for in a document by their RGB or CMYK values, are substituted with a different color having the CMYK values from the Spot-On color dictionary. This permits exact color control and overrides individual RGB and CMYK colors.

* For more detailed information, including step by step instructions on using this feature, see the attached file 'Substitute Colors.pdf'.

Summary of steps to substitute colors:
1. Define 'Substitute Colors' within a 'Substitute Group' in the 'Spot-On' feature of ColorWise Pro Tools.

In the example below, substitute color '100.0r,0.0g,0.0b' has been created in the substitute group 'mike test sub grp'. When a document is printed with the color red (defined by '100% red, 0% green, 0% blue') in it, and 'Substitute Colors' is enabled in the PS driver, this shade of red will be replaced with a shade of yellow (0% cyan, 0% magenta, 50% yellow, 0% black).



2. Print a job with the PS driver, checking on the 'Substitute Colors' option.

Important notes:
- Color substitutions affect only text, vector, and line art. They have no effect on raster images.

- When a color is defined as a substitute color, the settings for an RGB color (such as RBG Source, Rendering Style, and RGB Separation) or CMYK color (such as CMYK Simulation Profile, CMYK Simulation Method, and Paper Simulation) have no effect. The color is converted with a process similar to spot color conversion.

- You cannot use the Substitute Colors and Postflight features at the same time. These print options are constrained from the printer driver.

[teckat]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1 Update!

After I had it guy run trough mi network checking everything and finding noting wrong, I decided to run
some PDF files trough command work station and every time it prints out right away.
Since we do most graphics work on corral and phothoshop this is not an option.the strange thing is that some times the driver works and once it starts printing it goes on with no problem, and I really need to use the ps driver, the color output with other drivers are off and to dark.
The it guy told me he thinks mi desktops and the H1 are the problems, need more CPU power on desktop for running this driver. I am not sure of this, as there are manny people running older computers with mi same set up.
I have another Ir-4080i UFR that fires right away when sending prints, but the colors just don't match what I see on the monitor.
Is there anyone with N2 PS kit installed on an ir-4080i that can share his opinion on color quality?
Any input appreciated,

Thanks, Jose Antonio

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The goal isn’t to match the prints to the monitor (RGB) or the converse. The goal is to make sure both the monitor (RGB) and the prints (CMYK) reflect, as accurately as possible, the information that is actually in the digital file.
This is achievable by straightforward means; trying to fudge either the monitor or the printer settings is the wrong approach and won’t yield good or consistent results.

efi Fiery Color Server Ref GUDE.pdf

efi Fiery Calibration.pdf

efi Fiery_Color_Settings_White_Paper.pdf

[jose antonio]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1 Update!

After I had it guy run trough mi network checking everything and finding noting wrong, I decided to run
some PDF files trough command work station and every time it prints out right away.
Since we do most graphics work on corral and phothoshop this is not an option.the strange thing is that some times the driver works and once it starts printing it goes on with no problem, and I really need to use the ps driver, the color output with other drivers are off and to dark.
The it guy told me he thinks mi desktops and the H1 are the problems, need more CPU power on desktop for running this driver. I am not sure of this, as there are manny people running older computers with mi same set up.
I have another Ir-4080i UFR that fires right away when sending prints, but the colors just don't match what I see on the monitor.
Is there anyone with N2 PS kit installed on an ir-4080i that can share his opinion on color quality?
Any input appreciated,

Thanks, Jose Antonio

[teckat]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

I called an IT guy and he says the H1 is the problem, but I'm not sure because i can send from the fiery command station.
There are other printers including an IRC-4080I UFR, and all print ok, on the same network.
All files have the same issue when printing to the H1.

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EXAMPLE BELOW-------------for IT TECH to check if possible & it fits your situation if not disregard it

A customer experienced slow printing while connected to a hub on their network. While testing with a crossover cable, the print speed appeared to increase as a result of not being part of a collision domain on the network. The customer's IT person connected directly to a port on one of their layer 2 switches and the print speed increased dramatically.

Why did the throughput of data increase when connected to a port on the switch as opposed to a port on the hub?

Answer :
The speed increase with the layer 2 switch is a result of the operating characteristics of the switch.

First, let's explain that data throughput problems on a computer network may be caused by many factors. A good test of this is to connect with a crossover cable. If you notice an improvement, you may want to demonstrate the difference for the customer or IT person who is responsible for the network. At this point, whoever is responsible for managing network traffic can address the issue.

The improvement in throughput with the use of a layer 2 switch has an easy explanation. When any device or node, in our case a print device, is connected to a layer 2 switch, the device receives the full amount of bandwidth the network supports. This is an operating characteristic of a layer 2 switch.

In this particular case, the device was connected to a network consisting of a number of hubs with a number of devices connected to each of the hubs. All of these devices belong to the same collision domain. Normally, there are mechanisms in place for devices to avoid collisions with each other while sending data within the same collision domain. You may reach a point where you have too many devices connected and data collisions occur. When this happens, a significant amount of bandwidth is used with the result of reduced overall throughput.

We must also note that other factors are involved, such as cost. Layer 2 switches are more expensive than hubs. The IT professional is the person who will ultimately decide the structure of the network and will do so in accordance with the approval of the customer. This basically means that we will not suggest what type of connections should be used while considering the infrastructure of a network. The purpose of this discussion is to explain why a particular cause and effect pattern was noticed.

Often the IT professional who manages the traffic on a network will be aware of how to troubleshoot these types of problems. In some cases, where a little help is needed, it may be best to demonstrate using a laptop and crossover cable and let the IT professional who is responsible for the network to make determinations on how to improve traffic on the network.

[KenB]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

To try to verify that it is (or is not) a driver issue, download a pdf file using Command Workstation to the print and direct queues.

If it prints OK, it's a most likely a driver or network issue. If not, it's a copier / RIP problem.

[jose antonio]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

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What applications have u tested printing with ?
what type of files have the issue ? PDF/DOC/EXCEL ?/ b &w ? color ? both ?

how or who setup this network + ( how many printers/users connected )
u have an IT person u can call or onsite

I called an IT guy and he says the H1 is the problem, but I'm not sure because i can send from the fiery command station.
There are other printers including an IRC-4080I UFR, and all print ok, on the same network.
All files have the same issue when printing to the H1.

[teckat]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

Took out and cleaned all boards and contacts on the main controller, also reseated all connectors .

One strange thing tough , when i send a configuration test print from the fiery command work station it prints out immediately all the time.
But when trying to print a document (any document) trough normal properties paper size ect it takes too long ore doesn't print at all.
The PS driver installed is the latest on canon's site: drivers for H1
I am beginning to think his is driver related, ore do i need to use the old version driver on the bottom drivers list? not sure it works with windows 7 64 bit.

Jose Antonio

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What applications have u tested printing with ?
what type of files have the issue ? PDF/DOC/EXCEL ?/ b &w ? color ? both ?

how or who setup this network + ( how many printers/users connected )
u have an IT person u can call or onsite

[jose antonio]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

Took out and cleaned all boards and contacts on the main controller, also reseated all connectors .

One strange thing tough , when i send a configuration test print from the fiery command work station it prints out immediately all the time.
But when trying to print a document (any document) trough normal properties paper size ect it takes too long ore doesn't print at all.
The PS driver installed is the latest on canon's site: drivers for H1
I am beginning to think his is driver related, ore do i need to use the old version driver on the bottom drivers list? not sure it works with windows 7 64 bit.

Jose Antonio

[teckat]

Re: IRC-4080 With Fiery H1

I have installed the latest software V93.01, replaced the cross cable between server and machine, even disassembled the server box cleaned the inside and reseated connectors and memory chips, but problem stayed , first it seemed to work for a while , but then same thing again.The strange thing is that sometimes when it won't print i get out of printing properties than back in change paper sizes and or settings than it starts printing again, I don't know if its' mi operating system Windows 7, 64 but this very frustrating , i really want to put this thing to work for the the quality on graphics & flyers we print.
Also reinstalled printer driver again with no improvement.
I am using PS this is the only driver giving the quality needed for mi work.

Anny other ideas?

Thanks,

Jose Antonio

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Remove the H1 Open Interface PCB (Video PCB) inside the printer(also referred to as the RO-B Board) / remove>clean ends>re-seat
OP.JPG

also check that Interface Cable > they crap out



remove & re-install PS Driver
imagePASS-H1 v2.0 PostScript Driver for Windows 32 and 64 bit Operating Systems. This driver supports Windows XP/Vista/2003/2008/Win 7/Win 8/2012

Canon U.S.A. : Support & Drivers : imagePASS-H1