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  • CanonGuyRC
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2014
    • 5

    #1

    [Misc] Overtone in ADF only.

    I have a canon iRA 4035 that is suddenly having issues in the ADF. When you scan a document, it creates overtone on 3/4 of the page from front end to rear end. Doesn't have issues with the copy board scans. I have checked flexible cable and checks positioning of ccd. Any ideas would be extremely helpful. Thank you.
  • teckat
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    • Jan 2010
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    #2
    Re: Overtone in ADF only.

    Originally posted by CanonGuyRC
    I have a canon iRA 4035 that is suddenly having issues in the ADF. When you scan a document, it creates overtone on 3/4 of the page from front end to rear end. Doesn't have issues with the copy board scans. I have checked flexible cable and checks positioning of ccd. Any ideas would be extremely helpful. Thank you.
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    In ADF mode ,Stream reading CCD is fixed


    stream reading glass
    • When removing the ADF scan glass, take care not to touch the glass surface with
    bare hand.
    • Soils on the glass surface may cause white/black lines on images.
    • If the glass surface is soiled, clean them with a lint-free paper moistened with
    alcohol.



    1. Enter the service mode, and then select the following:
    (Lv.1) COPIER> FUNCTION> CCD> DF-WLVL1/2/3/4 (DF white level adjustment)

    1) Place a sheet of paper that the user usually uses on the platen glass, enter the following
    servicemode.
    (Lv.1) COPIER> FUNCTION> CCD> DF-WLVL1
    Read the white level in the BOOK mode. (Check the transparency of the glass for BOOK
    mode.)

    2) Place a sheet of paper that the user usually uses on the DF, enter the following
    servicemode.
    (Lv.1) COPIER> FUNCTION> CCD> DF-WLVL2
    Read the white level in the DF mode (stream reading). (Check the transparency of the
    glass for stream reading.)

    3) Place a sheet of paper that the user usually uses on the platen glass, enter the following
    servicemode.
    (Lv.1) COPIER> FUNCTION> CCD> DF-WLVL3
    Read the white level in the BOOK mode. (Check the transparency of the glass for BOOK
    mode.)

    4) Place a sheet of paper that the user usually uses on the DF, enter the following
    servicemode.
    (Lv.1) COPIER> FUNCTION> CCD> DF-WLVL4
    Read the white level in the DF mode (stream reading). (Check the transparency of the
    glass for stream reading.)
    Last edited by teckat; 11-12-2014, 06:23 PM.
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    • CanonGuyRC
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 5

      #3
      Re: Overtone in ADF only.

      I pulled the glass, checked and cleaned it. I didn't see any reason it would be causing issues.

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      • Tricky
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        • Apr 2009
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        #4
        Re: Overtone in ADF only.

        Have you tried adjusting the height of the doc feeder, there's usually a screw at the back hinge secured with red paint.

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        • CanonGuyRC
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2014
          • 5

          #5
          Re: Overtone in ADF only.

          I didn't adjust the doc feeder but I did block all light and it's still dark on that 3/4 of a page.

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          • teckat
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            #6
            Re: Overtone in ADF only.

            Originally posted by CanonGuyRC
            I didn't adjust the doc feeder but I did block all light and it's still dark on that 3/4 of a page.
            ******

            Well,
            There is only one thing that effects a read from DF,

            don't need Sherlock 🎩👓for this 😀
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            • CanonGuyRC
              Junior Member
              • Sep 2014
              • 5

              #7
              Re: Overtone in ADF only.

              Ok, tried the adf lid adjust and tried those adjustments in service mode to no avail.

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              • Tricky
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                • Apr 2009
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                #8
                Re: Overtone in ADF only.

                Post a sample.

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                • CanonGuyRC
                  Junior Member
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 5

                  #9
                  Re: Overtone in ADF only.

                  I got it. The ccd must have had a bad connection. I tried another one from another machine and it was good. Then tried original ccd in the other machine and it was good. Thank you all for your help.

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                  • teckat
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                    #10
                    Re: Overtone in ADF only.

                    Originally posted by CanonGuyRC
                    I got it. The ccd must have had a bad connection. I tried another one from another machine and it was good. Then tried original ccd in the other machine and it was good. Thank you all for your help.



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                    That's known as "Troubleshooting " a direct and only possible cause.
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                    • blackcat4866
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                      #11
                      Re: Overtone in ADF only.

                      I think I object to the incorrect use of "overtoning".

                      Overtoning can only occur when the balance of toner and developer (usually around 5% toner) are out of balance. Since most monochrome Canons are monocomponent development, it technically cannot overtone. Regardless of how much "toner" (really developer) is in the developing unit, the balance of developer to toner stays exactly at 100% developer/0% toner all the time.

                      You can describe it as backgrounding, or dark copies, or shadows, but never overtoning.
                      Last edited by blackcat4866; 11-14-2014, 01:44 AM.
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                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

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                      • teckat
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                        Re: Overtone in ADF only.

                        CANON

                        3.2_Toner is used to form the image on paper. It consists of resin and colouring agent(s).

                        👮Two basic types of toner are used in our products such as copiers, laser printers, and laser facsimiles.

                        ☺Single-component toner*
                        This type consists of mainly iron oxide (or ferrite powder) and resin. Each particle isencapsulated in a thermo-plastic resin.
                        It is used mainly for black images, although it has been used to create dark colours such as sepia for specialist applications in our single colour products.
                        The whole single-component toner is laid onto the paper in its powdered state, then pressure and heat is applied to bond it in.

                        💂Dual-component toner*
                        This type uses a mixture of an iron (or ferrite) powder carrier and a solid pigmented thermo-plastic resin toner powder.
                        Collectively, this mixture of two components is known as a "starter", the quantities of each component being in precise ratio before any consumption by the printing process takes place.
                        Only the pigmented toner powder is laid onto the paper for subsequent processing, whilst the carrier component stays in the product for re-use as it is topped up with fresh toner.
                        This type is used widely for a full range of colours in a variety of products.
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