C224e bypass tray size detection

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  • jwai
    Senior Tech

    500+ Posts
    • May 2018
    • 505

    #1

    C224e bypass tray size detection

    Hello,

    One C224e cannot display correct paper size on bypass tray with auto detect mode, performed manual tray adjustment of service mode have NG result on max width.
    I replaced new VR of bypass tray and performed that adjustment however same result occurred, which part may have problem?
  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

    Site Contributor
    10,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2007
    • 22997

    #2
    Re: C224e bypass tray size detection

    Are you following the procedure exactly in the manual?

    A common mistake when doing this adjustment is to use fully closed and fully open as the adjustment points. The manually specifies exact millimeter widths that the guides must be set to for the adjustment to work.

    I struggled with a PRESS1052 on this adjustment. The manual and the display (with the current level of firmware) BOTH showed an incorrect millimeter widths for the side guide adjustment for tray #2. Only by accident did I notice that the measurements did not match the measurements for setting the other trays.

    I was on the phone for 90 minutes with a tech, because when I told him to set the side guide to 297mm, he set the guide to fully open (again and again and again). So then he asks me how big is 297mm? (imagine me suppressing a scream). =^..^=
    Last edited by blackcat4866; 11-10-2022, 04:11 AM.
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • tmmdmmm
      Trusted Tech

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      100+ Posts
      • Apr 2021
      • 173

      #3
      Re: C224e bypass tray size detection

      Originally posted by blackcat4866
      Are you following the procedure exactly in the manual?

      A common mistake when doing this adjustment is to use fully closed and fully open as the adjustment points. The manually specifies exact millimeter widths that the guides must be set to for the adjustment to work.

      I struggled with a PRESS1052 on this adjustment. The manual and the display (with the current level of firmware) BOTH showed an incorrect millimeter widths for the side guide adjustment for tray #2. Only by accident did I notice that the measurements did not match the measurements for setting the other trays.

      I was on the phone with a tech for 90 minutes with a tech, because when I told him to set the side guide to 297mm, he set the guide to fully open (again and again and again). So then he asks me how big is 297mm? (imagine me suppressing a scream). =^..^=
      At the very least, techs seem to forget the platen glass has all the measurements they need. Just mark them on a piece of paper

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      • blackcat4866
        Master Of The Obvious

        Site Contributor
        10,000+ Posts
        • Jul 2007
        • 22997

        #4
        Re: C224e bypass tray size detection

        Originally posted by tmmdmmm
        At the very least, techs seem to forget the platen glass has all the measurements they need. Just mark them on a piece of paper
        ... I did mention that. =^..^=
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • rrrohan
          Service Manager

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          1,000+ Posts
          • Sep 2011
          • 1977

          #5
          Re: C224e bypass tray size detection

          Originally posted by blackcat4866
          Are you following the procedure exactly in the manual?

          297mm x 110mm

          I have a piece of 300GSM card cut into a small section with those measurements in my tool kit for this.

          Surprising how many techs do the max and min and not the measured distances

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          • jwai
            Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • May 2018
            • 505

            #6
            Re: C224e bypass tray size detection

            Originally posted by blackcat4866
            Are you following the procedure exactly in the manual?

            A common mistake when doing this adjustment is to use fully closed and fully open as the adjustment points. The manually specifies exact millimeter widths that the guides must be set to for the adjustment to work.

            I struggled with a PRESS1052 on this adjustment. The manual and the display (with the current level of firmware) BOTH showed an incorrect millimeter widths for the side guide adjustment for tray #2. Only by accident did I notice that the measurements did not match the measurements for setting the other trays.

            I was on the phone for 90 minutes with a tech, because when I told him to set the side guide to 297mm, he set the guide to fully open (again and again and again). So then he asks me how big is 297mm? (imagine me suppressing a scream). =^..^=
            I followed service manual, max width is 297mm and min width is 110mm.

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            • jwai
              Senior Tech

              500+ Posts
              • May 2018
              • 505

              #7
              Re: C224e bypass tray size detection

              I placed one A4 crosswise paper for max width, than folded one 110mm paper for min width.
              After replaced VR, got several times adjustment, NG on max and OK on min.

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              • rrrohan
                Service Manager

                Site Contributor
                1,000+ Posts
                • Sep 2011
                • 1977

                #8
                Re: C224e bypass tray size detection

                Originally posted by jwai
                I placed one A4 crosswise paper for max width, than folded one 110mm paper for min width.
                After replaced VR, got several times adjustment, NG on max and OK on min.
                from memory there is a arrow on the gear you need to align

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