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  • CableGuy
    Impulse Drive Engineer

    250+ Posts
    • Oct 2008
    • 417

    #1

    Bizhub 250

    Hi all
    I am i need of assistance, again. I have to replace the drive unit on a Bizhub 250 as some of the gears and the gear on the motor have worn away due to leaking dev. I have ordered the parts, but looking in the service manual, it does not describe how to go about changing the drive unit. Unfortunately, I don't usually have much to do with these machines as we are a Ricoh dealer. Is there any advice or special prayer that is required before going about replacing it? Or is there any where I can get my hands replacement instructions

    Your assisstance would be greatly appreciated as I'm lined up to go take on this task on Monday?

    Many thanks in advance
  • minimerlin
    Senior Tech

    Site Contributor
    500+ Posts
    • Nov 2007
    • 851

    #2
    Hi CableGuy, You maybe in for a bit of a job. KM never tells you in the manual how to do a job that is a big pain!! You just have to take it steady and make sure you know where any connector you disconnect came from!! A camera phone can be useful at this time, as well as the parts manual. Just take it slow and all will be well.
    Please do not PM me without asking first.

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    • Stirton.M
      All things Konica Minolta

      1,000+ Posts
      • Oct 2009
      • 1804

      #3
      Originally posted by CableGuy
      Hi all
      I am i need of assistance, again. I have to replace the drive unit on a Bizhub 250 as some of the gears and the gear on the motor have worn away due to leaking dev. I have ordered the parts, but looking in the service manual, it does not describe how to go about changing the drive unit. Unfortunately, I don't usually have much to do with these machines as we are a Ricoh dealer. Is there any advice or special prayer that is required before going about replacing it? Or is there any where I can get my hands replacement instructions

      Your assisstance would be greatly appreciated as I'm lined up to go take on this task on Monday?

      Many thanks in advance
      Pay no heed to the manuals4you spammer. He knows not his place in life and is merely trying to rip you off with STOLEN and likely outdated manuals (and possibly a virus from that download), all the while completely ignoring the fact that you already have manuals.
      "Many years ago I chased a woman for almost two years, only to discover that her tastes were exactly like mine: we both were crazy about girls."
      ---Groucho Marx


      Please do not PM me for questions related to Konica Minolta hardware.
      I will not answer requests or questions there.
      Please ask in the KM forum for the benefit of others to see the question and give their input.

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      • Stirton.M
        All things Konica Minolta

        1,000+ Posts
        • Oct 2009
        • 1804

        #4
        YOU are illegally selling the property of Konica Minolta.

        I have EVERY right to make issue with you over those manuals, as they are NOT YOURS TO SELL. You are in violation of copyright laws. Konica Minolta reserves the right to provide manuals to AUTHORIZED service personnel. And as for factory trained, I AM factory trained, and I get ALL my manuals when I go on training courses and I can download ALL updated manuals from my company website.

        And I do not consider making this an issue violating the rules. If it comes down to it, if I have to, I will make this a legal issue and ensure that Konica Minolta Legal department is aware of this site's collusion with your activity. You are a scumbag thief, I got no problem shutting you down for that, and if this site suffers as a result, you will be the reason why.

        As for no virus can be sent with a pdf, so says the idiot who has no clue.... Enfocus - Can a PDF document contain a virus? and http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/5814480.cms
        Last edited by Stirton.M; 07-17-2010, 02:52 AM.
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        • Hansoon
          Field Supervisor

          Site Contributor
          2,500+ Posts
          • Sep 2007
          • 3374

          #5
          independents would have no place to go to get manuals.
          They have, there are many good sites where professionals help colleagues out. This site is one of them.

          Hans
          “Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0”

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          • CableGuy
            Impulse Drive Engineer

            250+ Posts
            • Oct 2008
            • 417

            #6
            Thanks guys,

            We are dealers, not independants, I have the manuals in my possesion but thanks for your kind offer. It is just that I have the misfortune of having to work on the KM machines on a very irregular basis, as our main line of business is Ricoh. Some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to flog a few KM's to see how they went down.....lead balloon comes to mind. I find the KM manuals as about useful as a chocolate tea pot and their back-up nowhere near as good as Ricoh. Each time I've called them, I've had the feeling I've woken someone from their slumber and they're not too happy about it.

            So I'm guessing that I'm on my own here and will have to be very observant when stripping this sucker down. If it dies, well.....that's one less KM I have to worry about.....

            Oh you guys can carry on slogging it out now, it amuses me LoL

            Oh and I am an authorized KM engineer, have been on their courses......Baz Vegas baby....that's in Essex...
            Last edited by CableGuy; 07-17-2010, 01:58 PM. Reason: After thought

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            • RRodgers
              Service Manager

              1,000+ Posts
              • Jun 2009
              • 1947

              #7
              The black and white boxes on the KM's kinda blow. But the color boxes are great and VERY easy to work on. I think I came up with a perm fix for the 2403's on the 420's and 500 boxes. I'll try to get something posted when I get a chance to take some pix and find everything I need.
              Color is not 4 times harder... it's 65,000 times harder. They call it "TECH MODE" for a reason. I have manual's and firmware for ya, course... you are going to have to earn it.

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              • Stirton.M
                All things Konica Minolta

                1,000+ Posts
                • Oct 2009
                • 1804

                #8
                Originally posted by CableGuy
                Hi all
                I am i need of assistance, again. I have to replace the drive unit on a Bizhub 250 as some of the gears and the gear on the motor have worn away due to leaking dev. I have ordered the parts, but looking in the service manual, it does not describe how to go about changing the drive unit. Unfortunately, I don't usually have much to do with these machines as we are a Ricoh dealer. Is there any advice or special prayer that is required before going about replacing it? Or is there any where I can get my hands replacement instructions

                Your assisstance would be greatly appreciated as I'm lined up to go take on this task on Monday?

                Many thanks in advance
                was that the toner replenish drive unit?

                See attached.
                Attached Files
                "Many years ago I chased a woman for almost two years, only to discover that her tastes were exactly like mine: we both were crazy about girls."
                ---Groucho Marx


                Please do not PM me for questions related to Konica Minolta hardware.
                I will not answer requests or questions there.
                Please ask in the KM forum for the benefit of others to see the question and give their input.

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                • CableGuy
                  Impulse Drive Engineer

                  250+ Posts
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 417

                  #9
                  Thanks for that Stirton, But it's the main drive unit I'm looking at. If you are standing looking at the back of the machine, on your left about half way up behind the exhaust fan there is a motor that drives a gearbox that I think drives the fuser, pcu and the bypass unit. Basically the gears have worn due to
                  the dev leaking over them. I have a couple of grainy pics I took with my phone. Cheers


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                  • Stirton.M
                    All things Konica Minolta

                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 1804

                    #10
                    Ya, I guess you are right about that issue. I don't work on the b/w machines, so I rarely get to see what those manuals look like. Of course, its not all gravy on the colour side, though I have to admit, the manuals for colour boxes are far more detailed. Even so, some items leave you wondering and scratching the head.

                    I think in this case, according to the manual, you've pretty much got at the meat of the disassembly of that section, so aside from the manual showing where the motor is, there wasn't much point in showing the rest, it should be pretty obvious. In colour units, there is a few more things that need to be removed to get at the fuser/main drive transmission, because there is a transfer belt involved, which makes it a little bit more complex. Even so, I find I am still having to guess sometimes what must be removed to get that transmission out. There is no further instruction on rebuilding the unit itself. So that becomes an almost guessing match in the parts manual as to what gear is where when you've identified the damaged one and need to order a replacement. some are obvious, while others are WTFIT.

                    Sorry we could not give much more insight than what you already have.
                    "Many years ago I chased a woman for almost two years, only to discover that her tastes were exactly like mine: we both were crazy about girls."
                    ---Groucho Marx


                    Please do not PM me for questions related to Konica Minolta hardware.
                    I will not answer requests or questions there.
                    Please ask in the KM forum for the benefit of others to see the question and give their input.

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                    • CableGuy
                      Impulse Drive Engineer

                      250+ Posts
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 417

                      #11
                      Thanks again Stirton,
                      I guess the thing to lookout for are the screws that should not be unscrewed....I wonder if KM has bothered to hi-light those with a dab of paint.....? I have ordered the entire gear box so hopefully that will make it easier than trying to rebuild it and end up with it turning backwards....!!

                      I'm just waiting on the arrival of the parts....then the fun begins...

                      Cheers

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                      • AyJayAreDii
                        Technician

                        50+ Posts
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 99

                        #12
                        Originally posted by CableGuy
                        Thanks again Stirton,
                        I guess the thing to lookout for are the screws that should not be unscrewed....I wonder if KM has bothered to hi-light those with a dab of paint.....? I have ordered the entire gear box so hopefully that will make it easier than trying to rebuild it and end up with it turning backwards....!!

                        I'm just waiting on the arrival of the parts....then the fun begins...

                        Cheers
                        I am currently replacing a main drive unit on a C451. it is a pain with lots of units to come off. but there is a replacement procedure in the manuals for this machine. it say take EVERYTHING! else off first

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                        • CableGuy
                          Impulse Drive Engineer

                          250+ Posts
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 417

                          #13
                          Good news everyone, the drive unit has been replaced and it wasn't too bad, All done in 50 minutes. Once you get past the 16 screws that hold the back cover on, everything else is pretty straight forward. The only problem I have is that the motor didn't arrive with the Drive unit, so I went ahead and replaced the Drive unit and the motor will have to go on if it ever arrives.....Thanks KM!!

                          I shall , when I get a moment, put together a little show and tell for the benefit of the others on here. I'm off for a week after this with a friendly bottle of Jack Daniels and some racing cars. So I'll only find out myself when I return if the parts have worked.

                          Thanks for all the help guys

                          Cheers

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                          • aleksander
                            Trusted Tech

                            250+ Posts
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 378

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Stirton.M
                            YOU are illegally selling the property of Konica Minolta.

                            I have EVERY right to make issue with you over those manuals, as they are NOT YOURS TO SELL. You are in violation of copyright laws. Konica Minolta reserves the right to provide manuals to AUTHORIZED service personnel. And as for factory trained, I AM factory trained, and I get ALL my manuals when I go on training courses and I can download ALL updated manuals from my company website.

                            And I do not consider making this an issue violating the rules. If it comes down to it, if I have to, I will make this a legal issue and ensure that Konica Minolta Legal department is aware of this site's collusion with your activity. You are a scumbag thief, I got no problem shutting you down for that, and if this site suffers as a result, you will be the reason why.

                            As for no virus can be sent with a pdf, so says the idiot who has no clue.... Enfocus - Can a PDF document contain a virus? and Beware! PDF in mail could be a virus-Internet-Infotech-The Economic Times
                            I agree with you stirton.

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                            • jrs157
                              Technician
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 22

                              #15
                              Are you talking about removing the gears that make up the verticle paper feed drive? You need to remove the 1st drawer feed drive clutch ? If so, you need to remove the drum assy , bypass,vert transport,1st and 2nd tray.... well it gets pretty deep in getting to the four screws that hold that drive package in place so I'll end it there but will suggest turning in the faultyt developer for a warrenty.
                              Crap plastic gear design is pushing past the envelope imo
                              AN ounce of prevention is worth a pound of obscure
                              spare screws

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