bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

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  • Oneir
    Technician
    • Feb 2013
    • 10

    #1

    bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

    bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full, changed the IU-K and the same thing, tried another toner and no change.
    I changed the engine board and the problem persisted. I changed the NVRAM and the problem still continued. What could be the problem????
    My business is losing $$ daily.
  • emujo
    Field Supervisor

    2,500+ Posts
    • Jun 2009
    • 3009

    #2
    Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

    Are you a tech, or end user? If a tech what are the TCR levels displaying for the K-IU? Emujo
    If you don't see your question answered in the forum, please don't think it's OK to PM me for a personal reply...I do not give out firmware and/or manuals.

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    • Oneir
      Technician
      • Feb 2013
      • 10

      #3
      Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

      tech/end-user. The TCR level is set to 0 and supply level is 7.14%

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      • Oneir
        Technician
        • Feb 2013
        • 10

        #4
        Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

        Originally posted by Oneir
        tech/end-user. The TCR level is set to 0
        and supply level is 7.14%

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        • minimerlin
          Senior Tech

          Site Contributor
          500+ Posts
          • Nov 2007
          • 851

          #5
          Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

          You need to do some fault finding...check out the hopper sensor..if the unit is asking for toner then something is not working correctly. It is fairly easy to remove the hoppers and swop over sensors.
          Please do not PM me without asking first.

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          • EarthKmTech
            Step aside, noob

            1,000+ Posts
            • May 2009
            • 2142

            #6
            Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

            also make sure the toner cartridge chip contacts aren't mangled from rough handling at the front of the machine, it the contacts aren't 100% you will have this problem. Had it before.

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            • blazebusiness
              SanDiegoCopierRepair.com

              Site Contributor
              1,000+ Posts
              • Apr 2010
              • 1247

              #7
              Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

              Originally posted by EarthKmTech
              also make sure the toner cartridge chip contacts aren't mangled from rough handling at the front of the machine, it the contacts aren't 100% you will have this problem. Had it before.
              Good idea....also make sure the plastic piece that latches the cartridge so it mounts snugly in place hasn't spread open a little. And.... I've seen customers order a full set of BH C451 toners not realizing that the color toners are exactly the same but the C451 black toner is different (well, maybe it's not the toner-- but the chip programming certainly is different) and the cartridge won't be detected/work in the C550/C650's.
              sigpicAnything can be made to work if you fiddle with it long enough- San Diego Copier Repair.com

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              • EarthKmTech
                Step aside, noob

                1,000+ Posts
                • May 2009
                • 2142

                #8
                Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

                yeah, it would be a shame if the machine is now virtually destroyed simply because its the wrong version black toner. (see other post)

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                • Oneir
                  Technician
                  • Feb 2013
                  • 10

                  #9
                  Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

                  I have already changed the toner, putting in a new one and checked the contacts and they are fully intact.

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                  • pepper38_cnd
                    Field Service Manager

                    Site Contributor
                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 1076

                    #10
                    Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

                    You need to check the chip connectors on every toner and Iu if any one of them are out of shape and shorted to the metal bracket any of the supply messages may be displayed.
                    Online Store is closed. Chip resetting is a thing of the past! Thank you to all my past customers.
                    Now into Ip TV KODI Boxes

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                    • AjitN
                      Trusted Tech

                      250+ Posts
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 287

                      #11
                      Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

                      What about toner supply motor. If faulty, it will not add toner in toner hopper. Add some toner manually in hopper just to isolate the problem area. If machine detects toner after manual addition, you need to check toner motor & backward all parts,
                      Hope this helps.

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                      • methogod
                        Senior Tech

                        Site Contributor
                        500+ Posts
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 916

                        #12
                        Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

                        If you eliminated the IU and the toner --- its got the be the hopper...
                        We had the same thing happen to the YELLOW toner hopper...

                        I would vacuum it out well its deep and holds a lot of toner, even though its small... See if the sensor comes back after a complete reboot.
                        If it still reads as empty, i would then do the follow...

                        if you have a parts machine you can rebuild it, or if you have a know all parts are good, i would swap the entire assembly, at least to test.
                        After taking it apart, we couldn't find anything wrong - no motor issue, gear issue, so must of been the sensor. So we swapped all 4 hoppers.

                        We ruined 2 IU before figuring it out.

                        Also you can eliminate the toner hopper auger motor unless its both the black and the magenta. The toner auger motors are 2 motors that drive 2 clusters of gears (Y/C and M/K), so when 1 fails they both fail.

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                        • Oneir
                          Technician
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 10

                          #13
                          Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

                          Originally posted by methogod
                          If you eliminated the IU and the toner --- its got the be the hopper...
                          We had the same thing happen to the YELLOW toner hopper...

                          I would vacuum it out well its deep and holds a lot of toner, even though its small... See if the sensor comes back after a complete reboot.
                          If it still reads as empty, i would then do the follow...

                          if you have a parts machine you can rebuild it, or if you have a know all parts are good, i would swap the entire assembly, at least to test.
                          After taking it apart, we couldn't find anything wrong - no motor issue, gear issue, so must of been the sensor. So we swapped all 4 hoppers.

                          We ruined 2 IU before figuring it out.

                          Also you can eliminate the toner hopper auger motor unless its both the black and the magenta. The toner auger motors are 2 motors that drive 2 clusters of gears (Y/C and M/K), so when 1 fails they both fail.

                          Will try this and let u know.

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                          • pappyvonsillypants
                            Technician
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 30

                            #14
                            Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

                            I have been a tech for 12 years. only on here for a tid bit. when you pull the toner bottle out there is a chip at the bottom in which the machine reads. the "reader" if you will, is a few metal contacts. they are easily shorted if not perfectly formed. take the front cover off and you will be able to see the sensors up close from the rear and see if any are not seated right, or possibly bent. the nvram, drums and ius can be new and replaced all day, but if the read switch is bent or deformed you will have issue after issue. hope this helps and if it is not easy to follow let me know ill try to be more specific.

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                            • Synaux
                              Service Manager

                              Site Contributor
                              1,000+ Posts
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 1224

                              #15
                              Re: bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full

                              Originally posted by Oneir
                              bizhub C650 keeps asking for TN-K even though the toner is full, changed the IU-K and the same thing, tried another toner and no change.
                              I changed the engine board and the problem persisted. I changed the NVRAM and the problem still continued. What could be the problem????
                              My business is losing $$ daily.
                              Is the machine working at all? If I understand correctly, I have this same exact issue and the machine was operable for about a year like this. After some time of this erroneous error, someone took out the black IU and that is when we noticed that the toner-flap was not seating correctly.
                              The fix: Rubber bands!
                              I will try to take a pict and post it later today

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