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  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

    Site Contributor
    10,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2007
    • 23007
    #16
    Re: Series Names

    Originally posted by fixthecopier
    I also have not seen such list, so my question is, How do these list benefit you in troubleshooting? I understand for cross referencing supplies and parts, but I have other ways to do this, what info will these list give that I should need?
    For example:
    Copystar CS-3050, CS-4050, CS-5050, CS-420i, CS-520i
    Kyocera Mita KM-3050, KM-4050, KM-5050, FS-9530, KM-420i, KM-520i


    ... all are part of the Falcon III family. That is to say they all use the same print engine, and basically the same consumables. This is useful information when you're comparing consumables, yields, simulations, and fixes that apply equally across the family.

    So I was trained on the bizhub C220, C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • fixthecopier
        ALIEN OVERLORD

        2,500+ Posts
        • Apr 2008
        • 4713
        #17
        Re: Series Names

        Originally posted by blackcat4866
        For example:
        Copystar CS-3050, CS-4050, CS-5050, CS-420i, CS-520i
        Kyocera Mita KM-3050, KM-4050, KM-5050, FS-9530, KM-420i, KM-520i


        ... all are part of the Falcon III family. That is to say they all use the same print engine, and basically the same consumables. This is useful information when you're comparing consumables, yields, simulations, and fixes that apply equally across the family.

        So I was trained on the bizhub C220, C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=
        I see what you are saying, however I was not aware that konica had names for the different groups. I have always just grouped them as bizhubs and di's. I don't do a lot of big color boxes, but as I was stating in my first post, the b/w stuff swaps out easy. If it looks the same it probably is. On Friday I was showing a customer how to swap chips and snap off a plastic tab so he could put the yellow toner from a magiccolor 5670 in a bizhub c30p. Worked just fine. Also I noticed on that list it had some models under different names that I have successfully swapped image related stuff on.

        Also if I knew something was not interchangeable, it might stop me from my copier scientific research in finding out WHY I shouldn't have done that. Scientific research is another term for fucking up. For example I can tell you what happens when you put bz500 developer in a bz600.
        The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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          • Hansoon
            Field Supervisor

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            2,500+ Posts
            • Sep 2007
            • 3384
            #18
            Re: Series Names

            For example I can tell you what happens when you put bz500 developer in a bz600.
            Can't wait to hear the full story......



            Hans
            “Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0”

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              • blackcat4866
                Master Of The Obvious

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                10,000+ Posts
                • Jul 2007
                • 23007
                #19
                Re: Series Names

                ... 500, 600, what's the difference? =^..^=
                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                  • ZOOTECH
                    Senior member of CRS

                    Site Contributor
                    2,500+ Posts
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 3375
                    #20
                    Re: Series Names

                    Originally posted by blackcat4866
                    ... 500, 600, what's the difference? =^..^=
                    A hundred.
                    "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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                      • fixthecopier
                        ALIEN OVERLORD

                        2,500+ Posts
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 4713
                        #21
                        Re: Series Names

                        Originally posted by blackcat4866
                        ... 500, 600, what's the difference? =^..^=

                        Two totally different systems. I had to do a change on both machines that day. i had accidentally carried in the 500 developer to the 600. Normally I probably would have noticed, however there happened to be a rather nice female officer who was curious about what I was doing, and we were having a friendly chat. I should have noticed that the 500 developer is less and the bag is lighter, but she was rather charming. The machine actually calibrated. It was about 4 hours later when I went to do the 500, that I noticed. Another "Oh Shit" moment. I went back to the 600 and expected to see it coded out. It was not. I made a test copy and It was usable, just the background shading all over the page. I put the correct developer in and nobody ever found out, until now when I posted on the world wide web.
                        The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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                          • habik
                            Service Manager

                            Site Contributor
                            1,000+ Posts
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 2013
                            #22
                            Re: Series Names

                            Originally posted by blackcat4866
                            For example:
                            Copystar CS-3050, CS-4050, CS-5050, CS-420i, CS-520i
                            Kyocera Mita KM-3050, KM-4050, KM-5050, FS-9530, KM-420i, KM-520i


                            ... all are part of the Falcon III family. That is to say they all use the same print engine, and basically the same consumables. This is useful information when you're comparing consumables, yields, simulations, and fixes that apply equally across the family.

                            So I was trained on the bizhub C220, C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=
                            Olivetti D-Color MF220,280,360 Develop +220,280,360
                            .OK Google! ... will I need Berrocca this morning?
                            Firmwares HERE

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                              • blackcat4866
                                Master Of The Obvious

                                Site Contributor
                                10,000+ Posts
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 23007
                                #23
                                Re: Series Names

                                Originally posted by habik
                                Olivetti D-Color MF220,280,360 Develop +220,280,360
                                Amur 1, Amur 2, Amur 3, respectively.
                                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                  • CompyTech
                                    Super Tech

                                    500+ Posts
                                    • Feb 2011
                                    • 706
                                    #24
                                    Re: Series Names

                                    Originally posted by blackcat4866

                                    So I was trained on the bizhub C220, C280, C360. There may be printers using this same engine. Is there a series name? =^..^=
                                    I was trained on that series too. There were some magi color lines that use the box without the scanner. I am familiar with KMBS mid range color and mono. The printers from KMBS suck unless it's based on the copier engine. I dabble a little on the production (mono) models too.

                                    Like fixthecopier said. A lot of parts are interchangeable. I like that about the Kyocera line too.

                                    If you ever (god forbid) see a muratec 2850. It's a bh 250 with a cannon style doc feed on it.

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