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  • toddanderson
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • Dec 2005
    • 233

    #1

    No answer Fax

    I have a 5551ci fax issue,
    It will not automatically answer the incoming fax, errors U01110 if I manually answer it works fine.
    It is on a dedicated analog phone line , I have replaced the complete fax unit,
    Changed mode u604 ring detection to 0 or 1, G3 off and lowered the baud rate
    Their old bother fax worked fine.
    Last edited by toddanderson; 01-07-2016, 04:45 PM.
  • correo.tony
    Technician

    50+ Posts
    • Feb 2009
    • 72

    #2
    Re: No answer Fax

    Upload the last firmware Update version 04.03.0060 (2015-10-21) with the card fax installed Fax System ( W ) B and after :

    1.- Enter Self Status Mode ( Push 10871087 in Operation Panel )
    2.- Push 600 ( Ini. ALL data )
    3.- Push 601 ( Ini. Keep data )
    4.- Push 605 ( CLEAR COM. REC. )
    5.- Push 660 ( EXCHANGE ) and select to " PBX " settings
    6.-

    Bye
    Last edited by correo.tony; 01-07-2016, 05:44 PM.

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    • blackcat4866
      Master Of The Obvious

      Site Contributor
      10,000+ Posts
      • Jul 2007
      • 22932

      #3
      Re: No answer Fax

      Originally posted by correo.tony
      Upload the last firmware Update version 04.03.0060 (2015-10-21) with the card fax installed Fax System ( W ) B and after :

      1.- Enter Self Status Mode ( Push 10871087 in Operation Panel )
      2.- Push 600 ( Ini. ALL data )
      3.- Push 601 ( Ini. Keep data )
      4.- Push 605 ( CLEAR COM. REC. )
      5.- Push 660 ( EXCHANGE ) and select to " PBX " settings
      6.-

      Bye
      Are you sure it's analog? Those symptoms sound like a VOIP line to me. =^..^=
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • KenB
        Geek Extraordinaire

        2,500+ Posts
        • Dec 2007
        • 3945

        #4
        Re: No answer Fax

        If this truly is an analog line, check the ring voltage.

        It should be about 90 VAC.

        Some brands (and specific models) are touchier than others.

        We had an account a few years back where we replaced Canon faxes with Ricoh MFPs, and had the same issue.

        The Canons always worked, but the Ricohs almost never answered.

        Turned out that the customer's phone equipment was about 4 or 5 volts shy, and that was enough to cause the problem.
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        • correo.tony
          Technician

          50+ Posts
          • Feb 2009
          • 72

          #5
          Re: No answer Fax

          I think that's the problem black cat !
          I would also seem is a problem of VoIP.
          If the line is analog but you have ADSL or ISDN connect any device, you must to install a data filter connector before the TASKalfa line, we have solved this problem with more TASKalfa system fax, setting the line type to " PBX ".

          Bye

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          • toddanderson
            Trusted Tech

            100+ Posts
            • Dec 2005
            • 233

            #6
            Re: No answer Fax

            How do you check ring voltage ?


            Originally posted by KenB
            If this truly is an analog line, check the ring voltage.

            It should be about 90 VAC.

            Some brands (and specific models) are touchier than others.

            We had an account a few years back where we replaced Canon faxes with Ricoh MFPs, and had the same issue.

            The Canons always worked, but the Ricohs almost never answered.

            Turned out that the customer's phone equipment was about 4 or 5 volts shy, and that was enough to cause the problem.

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            • blackcat4866
              Master Of The Obvious

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              #7
              Re: No answer Fax

              Set your VOM to AC 150v range. Place one lead on the green wire and one on the red. Many of us have made phone line testers out of an old Ricoh handset with buttons, and an analog VOM. =^..^=

              Perhaps something like this will help you:
              Last edited by blackcat4866; 01-09-2016, 03:48 AM.
              If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
              1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
              2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
              3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
              4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
              5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

              blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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              • toddanderson
                Trusted Tech

                100+ Posts
                • Dec 2005
                • 233

                #8
                Re: No answer Fax

                Black cat
                thank you for your help, I am going to check this, but i have read googling I need ring voltage 90v
                you post is Ringing: peak 125 VAC (110 to 137 VAC) I assume anything over 90v is good ?


                Originally posted by blackcat4866
                Set your VOM to AC 150v range. Place one lead on the green wire and one on the red. Many of us have made phone line testers out of an old Ricoh handset with buttons, and an analog VOM. =^..^=

                Perhaps something like this will help you:
                http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/fa...tml#post232685

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                • NeoMatrix
                  Senior Tech.

                  2,500+ Posts
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3514

                  #9
                  Re: No answer Fax

                  Off the top of the head.
                  Assuming the fax is set to auto answer mode not manual mode.

                  First impression it sounds like a fax/phone line attenuation issue.
                  Is it a dual phone/DSL line into the premises ? Is the DSL line/phone filter in situ ?
                  Have you set the MFD country code in the user parameters ?
                  Setting the country code will automatically set the modem with the proper defaults.

                  If all the above is ok try setting SIM U651(guess?) up from -13 to -10 ?

                  HTH
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                  • blackcat4866
                    Master Of The Obvious

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                    • Jul 2007
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                    #10
                    Re: No answer Fax

                    Originally posted by toddanderson
                    Black cat
                    thank you for your help, I am going to check this, but i have read googling I need ring voltage 90v
                    you post is Ringing: peak 125 VAC (110 to 137 VAC) I assume anything over 90v is good ?
                    I suppose that wasn't very clear. The reason for the D'Arsonval movement is that a digital meter will not read the oscillating ring voltage very well. The values you are looking for are:

                    Not Ringing: 90vac
                    Ringing: PEAK 110vac to 137vac

                    Note: Read the DC voltages first, so you know that the line polarity is correct before reading the AC voltage. It will affect your final readings.

                    On PBx phone lines I've seen ring voltages below 60vac, and on several occasions Not Ringing:90vac, Ringing:50vac. Yes, sometime the voltage drops during ringing. That's why it's important to be able to view the readings, not just listen for a ringer. Different phones, different fax cards respond differently to these conditions. =^..^=
                    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                    • Iowatech
                      Not a service manager

                      2,500+ Posts
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 3930

                      #11
                      Re: No answer Fax

                      Originally posted by blackcat4866
                      Are you sure it's analog? Those symptoms sound like a VOIP line to me. =^..^=
                      I'd be curious to know what the model of the old bother that worked was.

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                      • NeoMatrix
                        Senior Tech.

                        2,500+ Posts
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3514

                        #12
                        Re: No answer Fax

                        Originally posted by Iowatech
                        I'd be curious to know what the model of the old bother that worked was.
                        Point in question.
                        Yes ,some of the old Brother A4 machines work with two phone numbers on a single line/cable using two separate distinctive ring tones. One number for normal voice calls and the other phone number for fax calls.

                        So is this particular phone/fax line set with dual phone numbers on a single cable/line using two distinctive ring patterns?
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