KM-5050 J61 When Duplexing

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  • k0rpl
    Technician
    • Sep 2008
    • 10

    #1

    KM-5050 J61 When Duplexing

    Have a KM-5050 that is giving constant J61's. Already replaced the entire switchback section, and the Duplex Clutch. Page will come out the Center of machine about 3-5 Inches and stop. Remove Jam, restart, and the machine will do the same thing. All switches/Sensors appear to be working in SIM 031/030.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Justin
  • techman
    Technician
    • Dec 2007
    • 49

    #2
    try replacing the exit assembly it may be the timing sensor or even the solenoid

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    • moussmouss

      #3
      I am having exact problem right now,only when feeding from LCF.FSW1 and all other paper sensors replaced,exit section replaced,will let you know if I come up with solution for this annoying J-61.

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      • leroyal
        Expert on The Obsolete
        100+ Posts
        • Sep 2007
        • 156

        #4
        Is it looking for longer than 8 1/2 x 11 paper?
        I know what I know better than anyone else knows what I know.

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        • Keychain
          Technician
          • Mar 2009
          • 14

          #5
          Originally posted by moussmouss
          I am having exact problem right now,only when feeding from LCF.FSW1 and all other paper sensors replaced,exit section replaced,will let you know if I come up with solution for this annoying J-61.
          Same here... only gives J-61 when using LCF... will do single side all day. My only solution so far is a note on the copier *PLEASE USE TRAY 1 WHEN DUPLEXING*
          The original post here is a year old, someone musta figured this problem out by now...I can't spend more hours in that customers office. Service manager getting suspicious, and that woman is NOT MY TYPE!

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          • Absurd
            Just a brick in the wall
            • Oct 2007
            • 118

            #6
            i use to have these kind of problems on the falcon II's but it was the one way bearing in the switchback section not allowing the paper to be feed back in for 2nd side printing.
            Southern Duplicating of Mississippi
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            • Keychain
              Technician
              • Mar 2009
              • 14

              #7
              Large Capacity

              Yes, but again it ONLY jams when using the LARGE CAPACITY FEEDER when duplexing. Tray 1 and 2 work fine...
              And yes I installed the thick mylar spacer update for the sensor, and firmware.
              BTW, it will do up to 3 without a jam, but 4 or more will jam.

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              • long1031

                #8
                Had same problem , still had to replace switches , we replace both switches at the same time with mylar backing .

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                • Keychain
                  Technician
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 14

                  #9
                  PF 750 Duplex jams j-61

                  KM 5050 with PF 750 only jams when duplexing. J-61 jam code. Trays 1 and 2 will duplex all day long. Only gets J-61 duplex jams when feeding from the PF 750 LCC unit.
                  Have done firmware update, and replaced:
                  On 5050:
                  Duplex unit
                  Exit unit
                  all 3 convey switches (with mylar backing)
                  "stretched" the springs in duplex and side door.
                  In PF 750 replaced:
                  drive motor
                  all paper feed tires
                  one way bearing
                  one way shaft
                  all clutches
                  checked connectors thru entire system
                  the tray hook is not cracked

                  Any and all help greatly appreciated.
                  The system can run 1 to 4 duplex ok, but usually jams after the 5th.
                  sometimes will run up to 20 before jamming.

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                  • JtheCopyGuy
                    Technician
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 26

                    #10
                    Don't know if it will help at all but I know that the 30/40/5050's LCT are notorious for the paper feed tray having clips that break and cause a variety of issues, such as skewed paper through the paper path.
                    Just a thought...

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                    • k0rpl
                      Technician
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 10

                      #11
                      I forgot to post this.

                      I was able to fix my J-61 Duplex jam problem when feeding from a LCC Only.

                      What I did, was to take the springs that put pressure on the Nylon rollers that contact the gray rubber rollers on the Duplex section. I stretched the springs about 2mm, and that took care of the problem. Been running fine for about six months.

                      Sorry about the delay.

                      Justin

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                      • evilprince
                        Junior Member
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 3

                        #12
                        Re: KM-5050 J61 When Duplexing

                        replace both clutches in the vertical feed unit part# 302gr44120. both clutches are the same.
                        this will fix j-60,61,and62s when duplexing from the pf-750.
                        apparently these clutche get week and slip slightly throwing off the paper timing.
                        i have fixed at least five machines with this problem.

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                        • blackcat4866
                          Master Of The Obvious

                          Site Contributor
                          10,000+ Posts
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 22999

                          #13
                          Re: KM-5050 J61 When Duplexing

                          I, too, have had to replace these clutches. Actually there ate three of them, all identical. =^..^=
                          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                          • rashid120
                            Technician

                            50+ Posts
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 76

                            #14
                            Re: KM-5050 J61 When Duplexing

                            Really i do not know why wasting time for repair just change the wiring connection for Duplex to solve your problem.

                            part number: 2GR46421


                            Thanks and Regards


                            Rashid Iqbal

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                            • Crni
                              Technician
                              • Mar 2014
                              • 54

                              #15
                              Re: KM-5050 J61 When Duplexing

                              Had similar problem. See my post http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/ky...d=1#post425714

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