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  • M94
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    • Jul 2020
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    [Misc] To Fan, or Not to Fan

    This isn't Kyocera specific (at least not in my understanding) but I seem to recall having seen statements that clearly advise fanning paper before loading to break the edges. However I also pretty cleary recall (maybe in HP learning materiel?) reading that you shouldn't do that anymore and that the static generated is more problematic than the edges and\or that the edges don't really need this anymore. Just looking to get your opinions on this. Do you still fan, why or why not?

    Thanks guys!
    Tags: anymore, edges, fan, recall
    • tsbservice
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      • May 2007
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      Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

      I used to fan paper and teach customers to do so...not anymore. Paper manufacturing and copiers are so much better now it's not needed I very rarely see double feeding machine nowadays compared to 20 years ago.
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        • Michael
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          Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

          I think it depends on the type of paper. There is cheap paper that is not cut but chopped off. There the leaves then adhere more closely to one another. I think that fanning the paper before loading it is also useful to remove the cutting dust.
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            • Santander
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              • May 2009
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              Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

              Fanning the paper is a good idea and something we teach customers, especially over the last six or seven months when we have seen a number of cases where the glue from the wrapper has leaked on to the paper edge and glued multiple sheets together. Fanning would expose the glued sheets and prevent a service call for jamming. Discovered this when a customer kept placing service calls for jamming and would go on site and run hundreds of pages with no problem until on one call got a jam. When going to remove the jam at least ten sheets of paper came along with it. There was a strip of glue binding all the sheets together. When pulling other reams out of the same case of paper and fanning them, we could demonstrate to the customer that is was not a machine problem, but a paper problem. We have even experienced this in our own office.

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                • M94
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                  Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

                  Alright appreciate the responses guys, likes and thanks for everyone!
                  Looks like the general consesus is 'maybe not necessary, but still not a bad idea'
                  So does anyone know wtf I was talking about with there being somewhere advising specifically against it? Or was I just low on caffeine that day?

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                    • blackcat4866
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                      Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

                      I haven't really had separation issues at pickup due to static in years. Mostly it was batches of paper that were cut with dull blades, that "welded" an edge, so you could peel them apart like they were padded. Or excessive glue from the wrapper padding the edge of the ream.

                      There was a single situation where the enduser was placing the reams straight into the tray, and they were getting doublefeed jams. Un-ruffled reams would doublefeed perhaps 20 times in a ream. Riffled paper fed the whole ream out without a hitch. It turned out to be a single batch issue that resolved itself in 3 weeks. This enduser did not (and would not) riffle, no matter what we said. I was thankful when that paper was used up.

                      If I had to apply a "rule", I'd say: "Riffle only when necessary."

                      There have been issues with staticy paper in the finisher, but that's entirely unaffected by riffling.

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                        • slimslob
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                          Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

                          Back in the days of coated paper machines fanning was needed to put a layer of air between sheets to reduce static.

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                            • M94
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                              Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

                              Originally posted by blackcat4866
                              I haven't really had separation issues at pickup due to static in years. Mostly it was batches of paper that were cut with dull blades, that "welded" an edge, so you could peel them apart like they were padded. Or excessive glue from the wrapper padding the edge of the ream.

                              There was a single situation where the enduser was placing the reams straight into the tray, and they were getting doublefeed jams. Un-ruffled reams would doublefeed perhaps 20 times in a ream. Riffled paper fed the whole ream out without a hitch. It turned out to be a single batch issue that resolved itself in 3 weeks. This enduser did not (and would not) riffle, no matter what we said. I was thankful when that paper was used up.

                              If I had to apply a "rule", I'd say: "Riffle only when necessary."

                              There have been issues with staticy paper in the finisher, but that's entirely unaffected by riffling.

                              Does that help? =^..^=
                              Yeah I appreciate everyone that chipped in. I just somehow had gotten two completely opposite pieces of advice stuck in my head and couldn't decide if one or the other was out of date or something. It kind of just looks like it's unlikely to be a particularly relavent technique, but if I have paper that seems like it could be helpful on (rough edges, residues, etc) it's not gonna hurt to try.

                              TBH it kind of just sounds like I was overthinking it either way, but I'd rather spend a little time overthinking to be sure than underthinking and winding up shooting myself in the foot lol.

                              Thank you all again for the advice, I really do learn things every day on here and sometimes likes, thanks, and rep bumps don't feel like they do it justice. I'm very greatful to have you all as a resource and can't express enough how valuable you all are to my education. Even if sometimes the questions I have are dumb nothing-burgers

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                                • sparkycivic
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                                  Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

                                  I like to teach customers to bend the stack, grab the open end, and straighten the stack to arch the sheets and draw air in-between before dropping-into the lct. This has minimized our calls for LCT lift error codes or motor failures due to sheets caught folded over the side.

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                                    • Tonerkiller
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                                      Re: To Fan, or Not to Fan

                                      Fan the paper.

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