Kyocera General Question

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Kyocera General Question

It's Not the old days wear you turn a VR and make adjustments. Lots of setting you can F with but unless Tech support tells you DFW
replace the part.

We'll agree to disagree. Whether you're raising the bias voltage via a VR or thru a simulation...it's the same thing. You need to argue with the manual, not me. I'm just telling you what they said.


EDIT: And why do you suppose they allow us to manually raise the bias if they never want us to change it?

[bsm2]

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We'll agree to disagree. Whether you're raising the bias voltage via a VR or thru a simulation...it's the same thing. You need to argue with the manual, not me. I'm just telling you what they said.


EDIT: And why do you suppose they allow us to manually raise the bias if they never want us to change it?

Only problem with the manual it's not in the field
There's Book fix and field fix apparently your a rookie

[BillyCarpenter]

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Only problem the manual not in the field
There Book fix and field fix apparently your a rookie

Let me try to address you intelligently. I'll try. First, I'm not planning on running out in the field and fucking with DV bias. That's not the game plan. This is a discussion and I welcome a different vantage point such as yours.

I know raising DV bias and other settings scare a lot of techs. Rightfully so. But none of it really scares me. It can all be put back to where it was before I adjusted it. Cheers.

[bsm2]

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Let me try to address you intelligently. I'll try. First, I'm not planning on running out in the field and fucking with DV bias. That's not the game plan. This is a discussion and I welcome a different vantage point such as yours.

I know raising DV bias and other settings scare a lot of techs. Rightfully so. But none of it really scares me. It can all be put back to where it was before I adjusted it. Cheers.

Copiers work with a range a standard specs. Taking something out of spec to get another week or month or 6 months on a defective or worn part may be good for you in the short term. Have I ever takenig a machine out of spec Yes but it's not the norm.

Again lots of setting in machines also Kyocera has some hidden in engineering mode

Stick to basic adjustments settings unless Kyocera tells you to mess with it which is a very very rare case

What do YOU think will happen if your adjust the transfer bias to max and replace it with a new belt and forget to change the setting back?

[BillyCarpenter]

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Copiers work with a range a standard specs. Taking something out of spec to get another week or month or 6 months on a defective or worn part may be good for you in the short term. Have I every taking a machine out of spec Yes but it's not the norm.

Again lots of setting in machines also Kyocera has some hidden in engineering mode

Stick to basic adjustments settings unless Kyocera tells you to mess with it which is a very very rare case

What do YOU think will happen if your adjust the transfer bias to max and replace it with a new belt and forget to change the setting back?

Here's an idea. You do things the way you want, I'm gonna do it mine. I've already told you I'm not planning on running out and changing any settings that aren't normally changed. There's a time and place for everything and you've already admitted that you've taken a machine out of specs. But you're telling me to never do it.

Lastly, I'm no rookie tech. I was away from it for a while and I'm playing catch up on the newer machines but they haven't changed THAT much. They still use patch sensors. They still calibrate. They still have a transfer belt, DV, DR, PCR, ect.

I'm not trying to force you do to anything. Really, the part you seem hung up on was just a throw-away line that I included in my post. Relax.

[bsm2]

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Great than spare us techs your pain of reading something that's new too You and ask for an explanation.

If YOUR Not a rookie than You should already know the DFW settings.

[BillyCarpenter]

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Great than spare us techs your pain of reading something that's new too You and ask for an explanation.

Are you speaking for all the techs now? You can be a royal pain in the you know what.

[tsbservice]

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Great than spare us techs your pain of reading something that's new too You and ask for an explanation.

then why you're reading and reply? 👎

[BillyCarpenter]

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I don't want anyone to doubt what I said about increasing the bias voltage. See below. From the service manual.


1. Check if the belt is bleached
on its surface.
Check the value of U140
MagDC after conducting
calibration.

2. Increase the U140 MagDC value if the U140
MadDC value has not reached at its maximum
even though the belt is bleached on its surface.
If the MadDC increased to its maximum won't
cure, replace the intermediate transfer belt
unit. (see page 1-5-62)

3. Check if the ground tab of
the intermediate transfer belt
unit is deformed.
If the grounding tab is deformed, correct it so
that it is properly grounded.

[tsbservice]

Re: Kyocera General Question

I don't want anyone to doubt what I said about increasing the bias voltage. See below. From the service manual.


1. Check if the belt is bleached
on its surface.
Check the value of U140
MagDC after conducting
calibration.

2. Increase the U140 MagDC value if the U140
MadDC value has not reached at its maximum
even though the belt is bleached on its surface.
If the MadDC increased to its maximum won't
cure, replace the intermediate transfer belt
unit. (see page 1-5-62)

3. Check if the ground tab of
the intermediate transfer belt
unit is deformed.
If the grounding tab is deformed, correct it so
that it is properly grounded.

Technically speaking dev bias is different voltage than transfer belt primary charges. From memories on Konicas tech can adjust only second transfer voltage not dev biases nor first transfer voltages or grid biases. Those are supposed to be automatically adjusted. Thankfully I haven't pleasure to mess with voltages, not I don't want but it's not needed in my machines.

[BillyCarpenter]

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Technically speaking dev bias is different voltage than transfer belt primary charges. From memories on Konicas tech can adjust only second transfer voltage not dev biases nor first transfer voltages or grid biases. Those are supposed to be automatically adjusted. Thankfully I haven't pleasure to mess with voltages, not I don't want but it's not needed in my machines.

I understand. I never mentioned transfer voltage. That was bsm2. Also, I have never adjusted the DV bias on a newer Kyocera. I'm just sharing what the manual said. Personally, I wouldn't be afraid of following the instructions given in the manual if it was under the conditions that are specified in the manual.

[BBM]

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I did not read through all the replies but if you dont reset the counts on any item replaced im assuming that will just affect all the values you guys are talking about . Is that right ?

[BillyCarpenter]

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I did not read through all the replies but if you dont reset the counts on any item replaced im assuming that will just affect all the values you guys are talking about . Is that right ?

Yes, if you don't reset the counters and do all the other adjustments when you replace an item, everything will be off.

[BillyCarpenter]

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PS - I use WorkFlow that's on a USB drive. It doesn't let you forget to reset a counter or make the necessary adjustments. It also records it on the Maintenance Report.

[tsbservice]

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PS - I use WorkFlow that's on a USB drive. It doesn't let you forget to reset a counter or make the necessary adjustments. It also records it on the Maintenance Report.

Billy I will Google WorkFlow but what it's for? Sounds like useful Kyo tool but what it exactly does?